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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by musictubes »

hospitalJail wrote: post #779
cwingrav wrote: post #725

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I think what Apple is pushing for is computing efficiency. It still gets faster but with much less power. Focusing on performance solely would be the wrong way to evaluate these chips. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-m3-chip

This drives me crazy. Apple plays the market like Nintendo. Pick something that no one cares about, do it better than anyone else, and make a big deal about it. I dream of a world where instead of a marketing company becoming a top 3 tech company, a tech company would have. Wonder what they would have done for their laptop... Or maybe this is just an inevitable outcome of capitalism/human biology where a veblen goods…

So Apple is the most successful company because they prioritize things that no one cares about?

I dunno, if a there was marketing company that could design the likes of the M series chips along with the mobile versions, develop a full technology stack from programming language and compiler, custom chips, through to shipping whole devices at unimaginable scale would make me wonder what technology companies were doing.

What other “tech” company really compares from a hardware perspective? Samsung? Dell? AMD? Love them or hate them, there’s no denying that Apple has serious technical chops. One day people will only hate Apple for reasonable things, today’s not that day apparently.

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Post by ravetcofx »

stouset wrote: post #585
vessenes wrote: post #573

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You're just hurting yourself. Even the M1 Pro is like 3x faster than that Intel laptop. Plus so many tiny things like sleep/wake, power management, heat.. I really can't stress enough what a tectonic change the M1 was over Intel.

It really, really was. I’d been used to barely-noticeable performance gains for a decade or more. The responsiveness under load of the M1s made them feel like a decade of performance improvements overnight.

This was especially true with Apple/Intel thermal envelope, I don't know of any other manufacturer that purposefully ran their CPUs to the point of throttling just to keep fan noise down, and in such thin machines with wafer thin heatsinks for design aesthetics. I think they made the last few gens of Intel they used worse than they were (to be fair Intel did have poor TDP till recent 12th Gen)

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by subpixel »

Gast wrote: post #746
subpixel wrote: post #741

Other than the fact that I can’t upgrade the OS and increasingly vendors only support M-series chips there is nothing wrong with my Intel MacBook Pro.

If you are not running latest, your system might not be fully patched: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-secu... So there are downsides to not upgrading.

Oh I know - my complaint is that the hardware is good to go, but I'm forced to buy new hardware. The obsolescence is built-in.

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Post by klohto »

prmoustache wrote: post #802
klohto wrote: post #734

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Bro and where do you think the containers and scheduler run? There is a whole linux underneath running all the time

Only one kernel and scheduler for all the containers, that doesn't have a lot to do if most of the processes are idle. And I am not your bro.

Your whole argument is containers will not occupy CPU or I/O. Which is not true, you’re running a full fledged VM, not just a kernel.

And presumably the person running k8s is probably not running them to have them idle. They are technically knowledgeable enough to be aware how much resources do they consume, and be excited for such comparison.

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Post by nortonham »

gtirloni wrote: post #174
dmitrygr wrote: post #159

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I tried to find a laptop with the specification you just mentioned that could last 20 hours on battery. Didn’t.

I'm personally always near a wall socket. My laptop is mostly a desktop. When I'm out and need to use the battery, it's only for a few hours. Do people really need >8h battery life?

whats the point of having a laptop, even at home, if you can't be away from a wall socket without worrying about battery life

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Post by gnicholas »

epolanski wrote: post #684
gnicholas wrote: post #458

"No matter what your passions are in work or in life, there's a Macbook Pro that's perfect for you." For the vast majority of Apple customers, Macbook Airs are plenty powerful. They're also lighter weight, and significantly cheaper.

M1 Max 16 GB struggles for my use cases, ram is way too low for how much I paid for it. Then I look at the new line up and they are starting at 8GB still? And please don't BS me with "it's enough for most users", because this is a stupid argument, gonna tell you what, so is my macbook 2013!!! An 8gb upgrade then costs me 300 euros? This is crazy, 8gb ddr5 memories at Apple volumes is 15$ expense at best. The fact tha…

Yeah that's crazy for their Pro line to even offer that option. Only the lightest users of MBAs should be buying a new machine with 8GB RAM.

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Post by plussed_reader »

dmix wrote: post #800
yipbub wrote: post #600

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It seems like the comment above is describing out-out and the it pesters you to opt-back in if you opt-out.

Major updates are infrequent maybe once a year if you always update, it’s not pestering you. And the UI makes it very easy to skip unlike some designs.

Unless there is a flurry of network vulnerability updates, then a bespoke fork is set in the road for them.

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

015a wrote: post #816
unclejack wrote: post #632

These are still going to be used in laptops with soldered flash chips for the SSD. Apple's laptops aren't meant to be used by people who expect to repair their laptop when the storage fails. Many people don't have access to replacement chips and services to have the flash chips found on the board replaced. It's as if their hardware is meant to be e-waste. The RAM is still not ECC. They focus so much on the shallow ma…

My Windows desktop has generated significantly more e-waste per year than the Macs I have owned. Full stop. I've upgraded SSDs from 500gb to 1TB to now 2TB, upgraded graphics cards, and replaced a massive broken aluminum and copper heatsink. All in the last two years. I've had the same MacBook, in a similar timeframe. It gets just as much use. Its still rock-solid. Your concern is a hypothetical one. The inability to…

Why are your old parts getting wasted? You can sell or repurpose them.

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Post by icedchai »

Toutouxc wrote: post #714
icedchai wrote: post #308

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The low end "MacBook Pro" without a "pro" chip and only 8 gigs of RAM cannot seriously be considered a "pro" machine. That is a marketing gimmick.

You only need to bump the RAM to 16 GB to get a nice, quiet, efficient dev machine, similar to an Air, but with the significantly better screen, speakers and longer battery life.

I've reconsidered and there is a some truth to this. I have a 14" M1 Pro and it's the best screen I've seen on a laptop! I honestly don't need the "Pro" chip for what I use it for.
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