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Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Can we use more than one external display yet?

Of course. Have been since M1 Max. My MacBook Pro M1 Max powers two external displays.

With a MBP, sure. I don’t want a machine that large however. I have both a 14” Pro and a 15” Air that feels significantly smaller than its “smaller” counterpart…

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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In addition to the reduced memory bandwidth, the M3 pro also loses 2 performance cores for only 2 more efficiency cores. M2 pro: 8 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores. M3 pro: 6 performance cores + 6 efficiency cores. Not a great trade... I'm not sure the M3 pro can be considered an upgrade

Functionally, how does this impact observed performance on heavy loads like code compile or video manipulation? I doubt it's not much, and these are the low/mid-tier priced machines we are talking about. If you bought a $2k M2 machine and traded it for a $2k M3 machine, you may gain better battery life with no concessions, except for benchmark measurements (that don't affect your daily work).

These are not low/mid tier machines when talking about "consumer-grade".

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

my intel died last week. had to get an m2 pro and THIS drops today. kinda salty that my intel couldn' have held out till the M3 was available

unless you went second hand, you should still be covered with the 30 day return policy no?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…

> Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) I believe this is due to the TB4 spec requiring support for two external displays on a single port. The base spec M series SoCs only support one external display. I’d expect the ports to work identically to a TB4 port in all other aspects.

It's because they don't want to put a Thunderbolt controller on the right side of the computer

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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I feel very disappointed that the laptops lack decent i/o. They spend all this time talking about how advanced the GPU is, but it's a $1,600 laptop that can only power one external display or a 2,000 laptop that can only power two displays?

Plus they are nerfing the desktops by only offering the all-in-ones with m2, so you can walk into a store and want to buy any other desktop now you are paying a huge premium for outdated tech :(

I was really hoping for FaceID and better display support, but I don't feel there was any compelling reason to upgrade anything. If you preferred Windows before, you probably still prefer Windows. If you have an M processor there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you were thinking about getting a Studio or a mini, you should probably just wait until they update the processor.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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> Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) I believe this is due to the TB4 spec requiring support for two external displays on a single port. The base spec M series SoCs only support one external display. I’d expect the ports to work identically to a TB4 port in all other aspects.

I really, really wish they would fix this silly display scan-out limitation. I gave them a (frustrating) pass on the M1 given it was the first evolution from iPhone/iPad where it wouldn't have mattered. But seems silly to have made it all the way to the M3. Wanting to dock onto two displays even at the low end doesn't seem like such a niche use-case. I'm sure there is some kind of technical explanation but both Intel…

Display pipelines are expensive and take area.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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It's shiny but I think I'll stick to my upgradable RAM and two m2 slots + a RTX 3070ti and i7-12700H for a fraction of the price. Something at Apple broke when they switched to their own silicon outside iPad and iPhone. They turned around the slow march toward parity on price:performance/RAM/storage and went screaming in the other direction. I really wanted to switch to mac when I was shopping for a new system earlie…

You know they announced a price cut right?

The low end "MacBook Pro" without a "pro" chip and only 8 gigs of RAM cannot seriously be considered a "pro" machine. That is a marketing gimmick.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

my intel died last week. had to get an m2 pro and THIS drops today. kinda salty that my intel couldn' have held out till the M3 was available

This is what returns are for! It is definitely worth the hassle for a better chip

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

my intel died last week. had to get an m2 pro and THIS drops today. kinda salty that my intel couldn' have held out till the M3 was available

Apple has a 14 day return policy. Don't need a reason.

https://www.apple.com/shop/help/returns_refund

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