Is it just a coincidence or does it seem like governments (mostly EU and US) are cracking down hard on tech companies lately ?
Nah, monopolies haven't been broken up in years. If anything they are barely regulated at all.
EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
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#842Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If V8 becomes a monopoly, and with it chromium, then Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome V8 isn't a monopoly in the antitrust sense, at all. Google gives away the source code to most of Chrome that allows other people to make browsers with it, and they do. Something being popular doesn't indicate a monopoly. Microsoft could choose to make a browser engine, but they don't, and it'…
> Something being popular doesn't indicate a monopoly Being on the standards board for "what browsers need to do", having the standards board under your thumb, and continually adding in requirements that only the highest spenders can afford to implement securely, that does indicate a monopoly. Embrace (web standards), extend (with a billion features), extinguish (rival browser engines)
Plus aggressively marketing their web browser on the most popular search engine.
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The app store rules and review process are essentially the only thing that prevents Facebook from tracking you across all applications that use the Facebook SDK. It probably isn't possible to prevent tracking in a purely technical way. Even if two applications can't share data directly, they can each share fingerprinting information with a server, that allows Facebook to track you. This sort of tracking can work even…
So if you don't install fb app from another place pr don't use fb at all, privacy will be preserved, gotcha
Wrong: Dont install any App which uses the Facebook SDK (1), which you have no (sensible) way of finding out, otherwise FB will track, combine, condense and analyze your data across multiple Apps without ever asking you.
(1) or any other tracking SDK
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Because I like iPhone hardware. It's high quality and lasts. The EU has the right to mandate rules on what corporations sell to its population. No one is forcing Apple to keep selling phones in the EU. They could even create a version of iPhone exclusively for them. Hopefully that hasn't been the case and finally we all have USB-C. Thanks EU. Hopefully they start being much more strict about repairability and opennes…
I’d lol if Apple pulls out of the EU.
This comment comes every single time the EU asks Apple anything.
And yet, every time Apple gives in to the demands of the authorities of the largest market in the world, unsurprisingly (even if Europe is only Apple's second region per revenue, because they lag very much behind Android there).
Anyone who thinks Apple will give up about 100 billion dollars of revenue to spite the EU is not being realistic.
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Nothing will change in your use case. Just keep using the App Store. No one is going to force you otherwise.
I don’t think that’s right.
As soon as developers have other options for distribution (that is cheaper), that’s what they will use. Look at Epic for an example. I used to play Fortnite with my kids on my iPad, but can’t anymore. So, my choices from the App Store will be more limited.
That’s both illustrative and damning. Developers will leave and consumers will be less protected. And I’m not really even thinking about malware, but dark patterns like uncancelable subscriptions or surprise in app purchases.
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> And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes LOL, like China is doing by forcing everyone into 51-49 joint ventures China owns? Or like the US is subsidizing EV and battery production for stuff made in the US? Don't be naive, everyone's doing it.
Whataboutism does not defeat OP's core point. You either have a set of values, or you do not. The EU claims outwardly to have the values of being pro-privacy and pro-competition for healthy consumer markets. However, these 2 supposed "values" only seem to come into play when it comes to regulating foreign tech companies that it cannot produce domestic competitors for. The EU has loads of anti-competitive protectionis…
The EU claims to be pro-privacy and pro-competition internally :-)
I don't even know where you got that angle wrong, the EU CAP is renowned as a protectionist measure, and it's a core EU component. It's just an example.
> You can bet GDPR would not exist if Silicon Valley was located in the Rhine Valley.
That's your assumption.
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#847Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…
>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…
Bun is using JavaScriptCore voluntarily because it’s better than V8 for their needs.
I think both WebKit and JSC have merits of their own and are installed by default, so I don’t think they are in existencial danger.
That said, since iOS is not a monopoly, I think Apple has the right to do whatever it wants with its platform and the security, privacy and battery life concerns are valid.
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#848Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…
> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.
Surrendering to Chrome isn't user freedom either
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Maybe. Incentives are different on iOS. Apps are more-restricted and the platform’s more valuable. Could play out like it did on Android, but might not.
Incentives are exactly the same, $$$. And you're making it out like the Play Store is worth peanuts. https://cybercrew.uk/software/app-store-vs-play-store/#h3 App Store led with an estimated revenue of $85.1 billion in 2021 Google Play Store generated revenues of nearly $47.9 billion in 2021. Nobody's ever going to try something shady for "just" $47.9 billion :-)))
… and the platform’s more restrictive. There were two factors I mentioned. And that’s just store revenue—it’ll skew harder toward Apple if you include other ways of making money on mobile.
I don’t recall Facebook publicly throwing any tantrums over Play Store policy changes.
It’s also possible that being able to put a store on both platforms is the kind of thing that would get, say, Facebook to expand the Quest software store to mobile. They’ll want to do that for Apple’s headset at least, if these changes open that up to them—expanding that effort to include iOS and Android seems like something with decent odds of happening.
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#850Is this just one big protectionist move? Opening the doors for more EU app companies to rake more money? I'm not even sure which EU companies are spending the big lobbying dollars for this one? Anyone? Conceptually I'm on board in practice I'm not. Once we actually look at what the other side looks like it's going to be super disappointing. And like everyone else said -- if you don't like the platform go shop for ano…
0day malwares are due to OS security fault. Hardening must be done by OS rather than store. There are already ways to install non-inspected iOS app.
Right but wouldn't looser security around the App store open up more fronts for attack?