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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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henry2023 wrote: post #578
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #365

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Please buy an Android then. Why insist on giving your hard earned money to someone who does not care about your requirements ?

Because I like iPhone hardware. It's high quality and lasts. The EU has the right to mandate rules on what corporations sell to its population. No one is forcing Apple to keep selling phones in the EU. They could even create a version of iPhone exclusively for them. Hopefully that hasn't been the case and finally we all have USB-C. Thanks EU. Hopefully they start being much more strict about repairability and opennes…

I’d lol if Apple pulls out of the EU.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by oblio »

huytersd wrote: post #571
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Everything is stellar because it’s locked down. You can go “hack” on your android and leave the perfectly good status quo as is on the iPhone.

Agreed.

I'm going to do what you're saying and also > for the EU politicians that just told Apple to > :-)

How do you like them apples?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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grishka wrote: post #193
dnissley wrote: post #167

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Switch to another phone then. Easy peasy. Why would you buy a phone with this known limitation if you care about it?

It's not about personal choices, it's about enabling fair competition. If you sell a general-purpose computing device and market it as one, you should relinquish any control of it once it's sold.

You’re advocating for freedom for you and coercion for someone else. These double standards are immoral. You are not coerced into buying anything, but see nice hardware and your greed gets the best of you.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by scotty79 »

noirscape wrote: post #660
faeriechangling wrote: post #227

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>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

If Blink becomes a monopoly, and with it chromium, then Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome. Especially when combined with the fact the big G can't keep directly funding Firefox to create a fake competition anymore under the new rules from the digital markets act. Google should've been hit with an antitrust case on Chrome years ago and their recent shenanigans with the topics api o…

> Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome.

What do you think google should do to avoid getting punished? What kind of action would you like to see from Google regarding the near monopoly of Chrome and Blink?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by oblio »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #516
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I don’t want Facebook to be able to say that I can’t use Whatsapp unless I install their rootkit store.

Ummm... have you ever used Android? :-)

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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addicted wrote: post #349
quickco wrote: post #248

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> If you sell a general-purpose computing device and market it as one, you should relinquish any control of it once it's sold. The freedoms we have, and the freedom that should be protected is market choice to buy or not buy any consumer product. If you don’t like Apple, don’t buy its products and purchase a device from a large number of competitors. It is really that simple. There is no rule that consumers have a ri…

> You are not guaranteed a right to install a Windows app on your iPhone, or iPhone apps on Windows. This is a complete red herring and a very sly one at that. Sure, MS have no obligation to make it so that Safari can run on Windows. However, Microsoft also cannot stop Apple from building a version of Safari that runs on Windows. Or iTunes on Windows. And when Apple built iTunes on Windows MS had no right to force th…

You seem to have high opinions about what others don’t have the right to do with software they invest their own money into. Here’s an idea, let’s drop the coercion and let free men make free choices.

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Post by oblio »

idkwhoiam wrote: post #614

Hey EU, can you please ask BMW to open everything up to its rivals so that I can use Toyota's infotainment system instead of BMW's iDrive. I also want to be able to run PS games on XBox & vice versa without having to buy separate copies. And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

> And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

LOL, like China is doing by forcing everyone into 51-49 joint ventures China owns?

Or like the US is subsidizing EV and battery production for stuff made in the US?

Don't be naive, everyone's doing it.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

dmz73 wrote: post #424
jeroenhd wrote: post #225

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> if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it It makes sense, though: Apple is all about making things easier for the user at the expense of third party developers. Users don't need to deal with app reviewers denying bugfixes because they used the demo credentials on the wrong app, they can just be mad at apps for being buggy. Banks all around the…

Apple claims they make things easier but that is not actually the case. They may make a few things easier than Microsoft or Google but they make a lot of things harder too. All their hardware is harder to repair than what is available from competition. Their documentation is inferior (if it exists at all) to even open source project. Software from Apple is hard to use for anyone not used to it which negates their "in…

> Apple claims they make things easier but that is not actually the case.

> They may make a few things easier than Microsoft or Google

Enough few things that make them worthwhile purchasing.

> All their hardware is harder to repair than what is available from competition.

Possibly true, but at least my Apple hardware is built well and lasts. The awful MS ”flagship” I had the misfortune of being forced to buy flexes when I type on it. The Android phones I’ve had have been of such poor build and material quality I’m not surprised people need stuff repaired all the time. Not saying repair isn’t important, but in the last 5 years of Apple devices the one repair I’ve needed was a screen replacement which was done in 10 mins, for free.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by oblio »

hotnfresh wrote: post #479
lmm wrote: post #368

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Amazon used to encourage you to sideload their app store on android. You got a free copy of Angry Birds 2 if you did, and I think at one point you may have needed to do it if you wanted to install prime video at all. It still ended up going away and they gave up. So allowing sideloading is hardly the threat you think it is.

Maybe. Incentives are different on iOS. Apps are more-restricted and the platform’s more valuable. Could play out like it did on Android, but might not.

Incentives are exactly the same, $$$.

And you're making it out like the Play Store is worth peanuts.

https://cybercrew.uk/software/app-store-vs-play-store/#h3

App Store led with an estimated revenue of $85.1 billion in 2021

Google Play Store generated revenues of nearly $47.9 billion in 2021.

Nobody's ever going to try something shady for "just" $47.9 billion :-)))

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by a-user-you-like »

kibwen wrote: post #283
sbuk wrote: post #207

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Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?

Everything that I purchase that contains a CPU should be within my power to run arbitrary code upon. Seriously, what site are we even on right now?

The entitlement is terrible on this site. “I should be free, but they should be coerced”. People can’t even see their own moral foibles.
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