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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by coupdejarnac »

bllguo wrote: post #728
coupdejarnac wrote: post #704

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I think you're over-literally interpreting what above poster said. Above poster probably doesn't speak Mandarin so their retelling might be missing some nuance.

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I don't think jumping down someone's throat for innocent ignorance is too productive.

And speaking as someone who has lived in China, their misconceptions of the West are comically bad as well. That's what you get with state controlled media and people learning about the West by watching Friends or Transformers.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by imgabe »

chmod600 wrote: post #835
imgabe wrote: post #819

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Freedom is never absolute. You can respect other people's freedom to disagree with you, but not their freedom to kill you. You can choose to only stop them from the latter, but not the former.

But should you respect someone's freedom to vote? What if they vote against freedom? And then what if that leads to the same result as them killing you?

There's many steps between a vote and getting killed. Someone tries to kill you, you try to kill'em right back.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by CamperBob2 »

avgcorrection wrote: post #770
ddoolin wrote: post #755

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What's your point? That doesn't exclude US Americans from offering criticism. We are not all one entity, there's ~300M of us. Many of us had nothing to do with Vietnam and I can damn near guarantee wouldn't repeat that decision today.

> That doesn't exclude US Americans from offering criticism. I wasn’t replying to the criticism. I was replying to the comparison to the “liberal mindset”. If liberal democracies hadn’t invaded countries in order to stop the spread of ideas then the comment would have been fine.

While flawed in practice, I think the so-called "domino theory" had some valid roots in the so-called Paradox of Tolerance.

It's hard to dispute one historical aspect of communism in particular, namely that it cannot tolerate competing ideologies. The only way to implement communism is through the use of force; it's not something free people will adopt voluntarily. I may think of myself as a tolerant person, but if you have to stick a gun in my back to make me practice your ideology -- which you do -- why should I be required to tolerate that?

It can be argued that it's a moral responsibility to stop the spread of such a pathological system of thought by any means necessary, just as if we were fighting an infectious disease. I won't go that far personally, but others in America did, and the wars in Korea and Viet Nam were the result. Not so much an apology as an (admittedly oversimplified) explanation.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by fartcannon »

nneonneo wrote: post #824
fartcannon wrote: post #788

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On an individual level, it would appear that just being from Hong Kong and not China will get you death threats.

I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

Are the current rulers of China related to the Qing dynasty?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by FpUser »

BobbyJo wrote: post #768
bllguo wrote: post #728

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It's not glossing over, it's a rebuttal. > Western understanding of the rest of the world is severely lacking I would wager that Western countries, on average, have a better view of the world than non-Western countries, if for no other reason than the privileges their wealth and liberalism entail. Do you think the average Russian, African, South American, Chinese, (Yes, I'm aware some of that list is continents, and…

It seems you have no idea about the subject. You just cast a fishing net.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BobbyJo »

FpUser wrote: post #846
BobbyJo wrote: post #768

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It's not glossing over, it's a rebuttal. > Western understanding of the rest of the world is severely lacking I would wager that Western countries, on average, have a better view of the world than non-Western countries, if for no other reason than the privileges their wealth and liberalism entail. Do you think the average Russian, African, South American, Chinese, (Yes, I'm aware some of that list is continents, and…

It seems you have no idea about the subject. You just cast a fishing net.

Maybe, maybe not, but your comment doesn't really make a case for either in earnest.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BobbyJo »

bllguo wrote: post #814
BobbyJo wrote: post #768

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It's not glossing over, it's a rebuttal. > Western understanding of the rest of the world is severely lacking I would wager that Western countries, on average, have a better view of the world than non-Western countries, if for no other reason than the privileges their wealth and liberalism entail. Do you think the average Russian, African, South American, Chinese, (Yes, I'm aware some of that list is continents, and…

I find it frustrating that so much discussion about other countries is based on hearsay and offhand translation, especially in the case of China where it seems few Western commenters even understand the language, much less the culture. Sure, if you are comparing populations as a whole, but if you are comparing the subsets of educated people from each country that are participating in the global discourse I strongly d…

> find it frustrating that so much discussion about other countries is based on hearsay and offhand translation

It's frustrating when talking about any subject. The problem is, this is how people digest information. They take in pieces and regurgitate it. Hopefully they are open minded enough to take criticism so that over time the regurgitations get more accurate. The discussion is important for everyone, but not everyone is going to know everything at once.

As far as grouping together entire populations: Totally agree. There is no point in making sweeping generalizations, which is why I pointed out the parents bad argument. Not only was it a pointless point to make, but it was also wrong. 'Westerns' are no more ignorant about the world than 'non-Westerners'.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by reaperducer »

bllguo wrote: post #721
vaxman wrote: post #637

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this is exactly the white savior crap that much of the world hates from the US. the sheer arrogance to think that even a significant fraction of Taiwanese would be interested in moving to America, let alone the entire populace. And then the gall to suggest _Ohio, the Mojave, and Alaska_. Bit on the nose, don't you think? I don't understand how you think this rhetoric helps anyone. I guess it lets Americans puff out t…

this is exactly the white savior crap that much of the world hates from the US

How do you have information that he's white, or even American? I couldn't see anything like that in his profile. I read it as the voice of someone in Taiwan asking for help.

And then the gall to suggest _Ohio, the Mojave, and Alaska_. Bit on the nose, don't you think?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Can you elaborate for the rest of us?

Most of your comment comes off as just anti-American sentiment, but zero actual information or discussion of the topic at hand.

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Post by FpUser »

toss1 wrote: post #839
dang wrote: post #765

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> every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy That is so extremely far from the case that I think it may be a classic example of the notice-dislike bias ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ).

Perhaps. Indeed, I haven't done a controlled study. It has just jumped out at me how consistently and reliably items on that topic generate those responses. It's also consistent with available open-source info on ops of the CCP and Russian govt. which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord (and considering the ROI on such ops, they'd be negligent to not do them co…

>"which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord"

If you really believe that the other side does not do exactly the same I have a bridge to sell. China and Russia are geopolitical rivals of the US. The US will not tolerate it and will use anything to counter. Including that trolling you just mentioned. And I would not blame the US for doing it. It is natural (not saying it is anything good) and every country pulls blanket to their side. Just do not be a hypocrite.

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