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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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None the less people do seem to make poor decisions when it comes to commuting.

This comment suggests you are from a generation where there was a choice

Mostly it comes from having made poor decisions in the past.

There is always a choice. Ten more miles equals one extra bedroom and so on.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting. Commutes are responsible for a 10% drop in hourly wages[1], and the median commute time results in spending 10 full days commuting a year. The average commuter in one of the largest metro areas in the country will spend over 13 full days commuting a year:…

> For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting This is true. I choose to live within walking distance of my office, and it has vastly improved my life - prior to this job, I commuted 2.5 hours a day, and that was awful. These choices of course have complex tradeoffs, but you don't have to commute, it is a choice.

Are you not paying more to live near the office?

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I don't want to go back. I've joined the company during the height of the pandemic. Hat to relocate. Then I've rented a very nice apartment just the other side of the street from the company building. Then the company moved to a presumably cheaper building which is on the other side of the city. And you guess it... because COVID and remote work. I've talked to my relevant managers (the ones that actually mange stuff…

> Large dogs shouldn't be left alone for more than a few hours.

Why does the size of the dog matter for that?

Serious question, I never had a dog.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

At least in Florida, my kids were never required to wear a mask to school.

Gross. What a fucking horrible place to live.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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> For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting This is true. I choose to live within walking distance of my office, and it has vastly improved my life - prior to this job, I commuted 2.5 hours a day, and that was awful. These choices of course have complex tradeoffs, but you don't have to commute, it is a choice.

I feel like this borders on the kind of insensitive comment that people get when they live paycheck to paycheck. Why don't you just save your money for a month? Why don't you just buy nicer shoes so you don't have to replace them every other month? I feel like the trade off isn't that complex. Walking to work is a luxury of having a well paying job in the city.

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I see you.

You need to stop looking over the top of the stalls ;)

My last place had these obnoxious stalls where the bottom is cut off, as someone with bathroom anxiety those things were a nightmare. Funnily enough the HQ building 5 minutes away had proper room-like stalls, I actually used to go there just to use the toilet sometimes.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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> I'm really getting my hackles up with corporations making end users responsible for things like plastic, industrial farming and co2 emissions. Me too, but GP has an argument along these lines here. Commute is a big, and often deciding factor, in private car ownership. Get rid of it, and most drivers will lose the major reason for owning a car. Expand the delivery systems for day-to-day stuff like groceries, and ano…

> Get rid of it, and most drivers will lose the major reason for owning a car. I think this is backwards. We saw during the pandemic a mass exodus from cities. Once people could work from home, they decided they didn't want to live in a city anymore. Once you remove the burden of commuting, suburban / rural life becomes _even more_ attractive, increasing the need for cars.

You're forgetting the key bit: It was during a pandemic, and so especially during the first 6-12 months, people didn't feel safe being around others. They also often legally didn't have any space outside they could enjoy. Suburbs bring personal space and the legal right to be in your back yard.

A city is an entirely different experience when its residents are allowed to use parks and can enjoy dining out, walking to a market, strolling to the cinema, etc...

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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I think the title would be more accurately written as "Apple requires staff to return to office..." rather than "Apple asks staff to return to office...." The latter seems subtly disingenuous to me. Yes, they are asking, but it's not a request an average Apple employee is likely to be able to refuse. It may just be some weird quirk of mine, but I notice things like this.

Corporate speak is always double speak and I think it's OK that the news report what is said, and then people discuss what it means.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting. Commutes are responsible for a 10% drop in hourly wages[1], and the median commute time results in spending 10 full days commuting a year. The average commuter in one of the largest metro areas in the country will spend over 13 full days commuting a year:…

The food/drink part could be the most of it. A Google employee enjoying free food and drink could save $60/day versus buying prepared food ($10 for breakfast, $20 for lunch, and $30 for dinner). If you drink much coffee or other beverages, that could be another $15/day. If you weigh this against spending an extra hour or two commuting, then it looks like a lousy bargain. But if you are like many people, and ended up…

$15/day for coffee at home is way too high. You can buy a pound of high-end coffee beans for that price. A good grinder, aeropress and kettle will cost you less than $200. That’ll easy beat the quality of corporate cafe coffee. Even at five cups a day, you’re looking at $4/day.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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> For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting This is true. I choose to live within walking distance of my office, and it has vastly improved my life - prior to this job, I commuted 2.5 hours a day, and that was awful. These choices of course have complex tradeoffs, but you don't have to commute, it is a choice.

I feel like this borders on the kind of insensitive comment that people get when they live paycheck to paycheck. Why don't you just save your money for a month? Why don't you just buy nicer shoes so you don't have to replace them every other month? I feel like the trade off isn't that complex. Walking to work is a luxury of having a well paying job in the city.

You're not wrong, but you are discussing this in community full of largely well paid professionals. The majority of is have the financial ability to live within walking/cycling distance of the office, even if we choose not to.
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