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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by mym1990 »

raincole wrote: post #796
jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

> I can train insainly powerful models on my laptop. What's with this hallucination? The thread is about GPT-5.6 . Your laptop can't even run gemma 4 unquantized bfloat16, which is light years behind GPT-5.6, and running it is light years from training it. If something that a laptop can train is insanely powerful for you, you don't need to worry about this thread at all.

Eh, they said models, which can mean hyperspecific domains, not necessarily a massive generalized LLM.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

rzerowan wrote: post #766
tadasv wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope that open models will dominate. The difficult part to reconcile for me is the amount of compute that's required to create and run such models. Small models are fine, I run local llms 27b param on a gpu, but it's not even close to frontier in capability. Who wants to drop $40k+ on hardware to run these things. Companies, maybe/perhapts. On the other hand, to run a DB I can get a server for $3k and handle tons o…

I believe until the hardware designs catch up to be more commodized ala cryto mining evolution from GPUs to ASICS for specfic algos. Designs (like Google TPUs equivalent) would also need to evolve to be more memory dense to be able to handle them. Untill then it seems will be system time shares for the larger models , probably with a bring your own model and pay as you go.

> ala cryto mining evolution from GPUs to ASICS for specfic algos

I don't see it happening. A current gen GPU with a huge and fast block of memory isn't a perfect fit for these algorithms but it's relatively close. With cryptocurrency, mass small sha256 hashing was a totally different kind of computation.

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Post by tw1984 »

glaslong wrote: post #783
jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

Warm up your VPN to zAI for the eventual banned GLM-6 I guess

what make you believe that the Chinese gov is going to allow GLM-6 to be made publicly available?

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Post by petre »

Aerroon wrote: post #363
9dev wrote: post #231

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It’s a bit in general, because if you actually read the EU AI legislation, most of it follows the right ideas and provides more safety, in the sense that OpenAI and Anthropic used to pretend to care about, but never really did.

With the way things are, having to disclose training data will basically make it impossible for an EU AI to compete.

In the end the only winner that emerges out of this is China. Tge EU is over regulating everything, the current US administration is randomly banning things left and right.

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Post by WarmWash »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #814
rzerowan wrote: post #666

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As far as Europe is concerned they have recently signed up to the 'Pax Silica'[1] and willingly givrn the LLM space over to the US incumbents with buildtin legislation banning Chinese models and coperation with them. So EU will be a renter of the LLMs that the US allows them to use. In the long run OpenSource will dominate as it did in the DB(MySQL/Postgres)/ServerOS(Linux/BSDs) versus Proprietery rent seeking alts l…

This is beyond ridiculous. At the same historical turning point when Europeans are finally waking up to the need to become less dependent on their so called US ally for weapons production and security, they are immediately choosing to become dependent on the next layer of critical infrastructure. Instead of learning the obvious lesson, Europe seems ready to purchase the future from whoever Washington allows it to pur…

Europe has been burning furniture to keep the house warm for so long that an entire generation now thinks that chopping wood is for suckers.

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Post by KumaBear »

jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

This also completely screws over U.S. businesses. American startups will be forced to pay premium prices for nerfed, heavily-censored, 'compliant' models from a few massive corporations. Meanwhile, foreign startups will be running cheaper, unrestricted open-source AI. We'll price ourselves right out of the global market.

What government wants to have their population use foreign AI. (Not many). Only issue I see is good enough is what the majority might be okay with.

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Post by freakynit »

andsoitis wrote: post #822
freakynit wrote: post #820

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These frontier models are now good enough that they can assist heavily with new optimizations for future models, including, code them. Restricting their usage to a few companies takes away that advantage away from other companies, thereby, limiting new vendors from competing with OpenAI.

> Restricting their usage to a few companies takes away that advantage away from other companies, thereby, limiting new vendors from competing with OpenAI. wait, are you saying a competitor needs access to an OpenAI model in order to build a competing model?

Nothing new in that. Everyone pays to someone or the other to make their own product/life better. Most of the times these products do not compete, sometimes, they do.

How many times you believe duckduckgo would have google'd stuff just to create a competitor to Google itself? I believe thousands of times.. could be more.

OpenAI cannot claim the code their models produce as their own since their own models used codes from public internet during training to produce new code.

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