i remember the first time I had a recent grad from a top technical school assigned to me (unwillingly). shall we compare working with the intern to working with these tools? Its about the same as the first 2 weeks we worked with each other. Thats hella impressive for a tool... But not 3 weeks after... The human intern improved exponentially. The tool does not. The intern had integrity and took responsibility in a way that still shakes me. How could an over-glorified graphing calculator do that. On the other-hand the tool is not organic or sentient. worthy and deserving of exploitation. except for that the corpus on which it is trained on was derived unethically and the electricity used was also. hell, maybe the chips also.
I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
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Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#832Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. Maybe in the distant future we'll realize that the most reliable way to prompting LLMs are by using a structured language that eliminates ambiguity, it will probably be rather unnatural and take some time to learn. But this will only happen after the last programmer has died and no-one will remember pro…
A structured language without ambiguity is not, in general, how people think or express themselves. In order for a model to be good at interfacing with humans, it needs to adapt to our quirks. Convincing all of human history and psychology to reorganize itself in order to better service ai cannot possibly be a real solution. Unfortunately, the solution is likely going to be further interconnectivity, so the model can…
Yep, humans have had a remedy for the problem of ambiguity in language for tens of thousands of years, or there never could have been an agricultural revolution giving birth to civilization in the first place.
Effective collaboration relies on iterating over clarifications until ambiguity is acceptably resolved.
Rather than spending orders of magnitude more effort moving forward with bad assumptions from insufficient communication and starting over from scratch every time you encounter the results of each misunderstanding.
Most AI models still seem deep into the wrong end of that spectrum.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#833I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…
What is the version used by the free chatgpt now? ( https://chatgpt.com/ ) > Since the car wash is only 50 meters away (about 55 yards), you should walk. > Here’s why: > - It’ll take less than a minute. > - No fuel wasted. > - Better for the environment. > - You avoid the irony of driving your dirty car 50 meters just to wash it. the last bullet point is amusing, it understands you intend to wash the car you drive bu…
> it understands you intend to wash the car you drive but still suggests not bringing it.
Doesn't it actually show it doesn't understand anything? It doesn't understand what a car is. It doesn't understand what a car wash is. Fundamentally, it's just parsing text cleverly.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
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People offing themselves because their lover convinced them it's time is absolutely not worth the extra addiction potential. We even witnessed this happen with OAI. It's a fast track to public disdain and heavy handed government regulation.
Or sama is just waiting to premium subscription gate companions in some adult content package as he has hinted something along these lines may be forthcoming. Maybe tie it in with the hardware device Ive is working on. Some sort of hellscape tamogotchi. Recall: "As part of our 'treat adult users like adults' principle, we will allow even more, like erotica for verified adults," Altman wrote in the Oct.
I'm struggling a bit when it comes to wording this with social decorum, but how long do we reckon it takes until there's AI powered adult toys? There's a market opportunity that i do not want to see being fulfilled, ever..
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#835Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. Maybe in the distant future we'll realize that the most reliable way to prompting LLMs are by using a structured language that eliminates ambiguity, it will probably be rather unnatural and take some time to learn. But this will only happen after the last programmer has died and no-one will remember pro…
Prompting is definitely a skill, similar to "googling" in the mid 00's. You see people complaining about LLM ability, and then you see their prompt, and it's the 2006 equivalent of googling "I need to know where I can go for getting the fastest service for car washes in Toronto that does wheel washing too"
Communication is definitely a skill, and most people suck at it in general. And frequently poor communication is a direct result from the fact that we don't ourselves know what we want. We dream of a genie that not only frees us from having to communicate well, but of having to think properly. Because thinking is hard and often inconvenient. But LLMs aren't going to entirely free us from the fact that if garbage goes in, garbage will come out.
"Communication usually fails, except by accident." —Osmo A. Wiio [1]
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#836Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can define "ponder" in multiple ways, but really this is why thinking models exist - they turn over the prompt multiple times and iterate on responses to get to a better end result.
Well I chose the word “ponder” carefully, given the fact that I have a specific goal of contributing to this debate productively. A goal that I decided upon after careful reflection over a few years of reading articles and internet commentary, and how it may affect my career, and the patterns I’ve seen emerge in this industry. And I did that all patiently . You could say my context window was infinite, only defined b…
Agreed that feedback loops on top of generative LLMs will not get us to AGI or true intelligence.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
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By default for this kind of short question it will probably just route to mini, or at least zero thinking. For free users they'll have tuned their "routing" so that it only adds thinking for a very small % of queries, to save money. If any at all.
I don't understand why they need to save money...
Every business needs to minimize costs in order to maximize profits.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#838Get a 50 meter car
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#839if the AI swallowed enough car detailing YouTube vids, it should answer neither, wash your own car with your own microfiber
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#840Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Maybe in the distant future we'll realize that the most reliable way to prompting LLMs are by using a structured language that eliminates ambiguity, it will probably be rather unnatural and take some time to learn. We've truly gone full circle here, except now our programming languages have a random chance for an operator to do the opposite of what the operator does at all other times!
One might think that a structure language is really desirable, but in fact, one of the biggest methods of functioning behind intelligence is stupidity . Let me explain: if you only innovate by piecing together lego pieces you already have, you'll be locked into predictable patterns and will plateau at some point. In order to break out of this, we all know, there needs to be an element of randomness. This element need…
I believe this is the principle that makes biology such a superior technology.