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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by krapp »

narrator wrote: post #813
javajosh wrote: post #810

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Testimony is not evidence, and using the passive voice ("given explicit authorization", by whom? why does this matter?) is an explicit argument from authority. Physical evidence or nothing. There are no shortage of credulous people in the world happy to bask in the glow of attention. Consider the counter-factual. If indeed there are aliens here, and have been here for decades, why not centuries? Why haven't previous…

Grusch was given access specifically by an act of the U.S Congress to investigate UAPs. Watch the CSPAN link of the congressional hearing I provided for the full details. Read the link to "The Crowded Galaxy" theory for what's probably going on based on that testimony. It answers all your questions. There are probably millions of planets with life in the galaxy. We're not remarkable except with how hyper-violent and…

The government also studied remote viewing, psychic powers, and tried to control people's minds with LSD. The government has been investigating UFOs since Project Grudge back in the 1940s. None of that is evidence that remote viewing, psychic powers, mind control or UFOs are actually really alien spacecraft.

David Grusch repeating second and thirdhand claims about alien conspiracies is not evidence that those claims are real, nor is investigating UAPs evidence of the existence of alien spacecraft. None of this is actually evidence if anything, it's literally the same non-evidence the UFO community has always believed in as a matter of faith, and insisted that everyone else take as proven, self-evident fact.

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by heavyset_go »

darkarmani wrote: post #822
ptero wrote: post #579

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Neither FBI nor Pentagon have ability to fly drones in the US airspace at will. On the contrary, they, like everyone else, have to get FAA approvals and those always leak. And usually in fact published by the FAA who needs to warn pilots of potential threats -- one could go to the official FAA website and search those NOTAMs. Ignoring FAA by the FBI or the military just doesn't happen, the price to pay is WAY too hig…

They don't need approval for under 400 FT AGL in class G airspace. The idiots reporting on it have NO idea how high these drones are. And the military has a bunch of carved airspace in various places. I think last time i looked (4 weeks ago), there was some reserved airspace off Cape Hatteras for the US Marines.

To add to your last point, looking at maps of drone sightings in the area, the biggest hotspots are in reserved airspace over military assets, including ones that store and load nukes on ships.

If they were truly a threat, or some random person's drones, they would have been taken care of nearly instantly.

I have personally seen the response of someone flying their drone in that airspace. They do not hesitate to send out goons with guns strapped over their shoulders and megaphones to make it clear that what you're doing is very much not okay.

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Post by heavyset_go »

bluGill wrote: post #580
UltraSane wrote: post #546

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Did they use tons of global variables?

Globals are common and even right in this application. However they didn't take proper care in other ways (i'm not clear what I've just been in embedded long enough to know globals are often required despite how hard they are to get right)

IIRC, their code was evaluated against MISRA-C and was found to have tons of blatant and preventable violations of its principles.

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Post by rmah »

pc86 wrote: post #629
rmah wrote: post #623

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The Chinese "spy balloon" that it turned out wasn't a spy balloon (according to the pentagon)? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66062562

Your assertion is not supported by your source: > Pentagon spokesperson Brigadier General Pat Ryder said on Thursday that the US was "aware that [the balloon] had intelligence collection capabilities". ... He said the efforts the US took to mitigate any intelligence gathering "contributed" to the balloon's failure to gather sensitive information. So it was a spy balloon but it was off, or it was a spy balloon and on…

Fine, here https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/09/20/chinese-balloon-n...

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Post by rmah »

left-struck wrote: post #633
rmah wrote: post #623

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The Chinese "spy balloon" that it turned out wasn't a spy balloon (according to the pentagon)? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66062562

From the article you just linked ‘Pentagon spokesperson Brigadier General Pat Ryder said on Thursday that the US was "aware that [the balloon] had intelligence collection capabilities". But "it has been our assessment now that it did not collect while it was transiting the United States or over flying the United States".’ When did the pentagon confirm it was not a spy balloon? The article is very short and the meanin…

They were hedging:

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/09/20/chinese-balloon-n...

Honestly, "sensors" means anything from cameras to thermometers. Either way, the balloon was recovered by the US Navy. It wasn't a spy balloon.

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Post by heavyset_go »

bhk wrote: post #230
fourteenfour wrote: post #35

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Lol, also rep. Jeff Van Drew claiming without evidence that the drones are coming from an Iranian mothership off the coast.

"...without evidence..." What he claimed was "high" (high-level, I assume, rather than intoxicated) and "reputable" sources who needed to remain anonymous told him there was circumstantial evidence of this. I don't see any motive for him to make this up, or for those sources to. Perhaps someone in some agency is jumping to conclusions on partial information. Or perhaps this fits into the pattern of DoD officials, ex-…

> I don't see any motive for him to make this up

He's using this as an opportunity to paint the current federal administration, and state administration in NJ, as being incompetent, negligent and putting people in harms way.

It's standard politics.

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Post by dekhn »

lxgr wrote: post #828
tigerBL00D wrote: post #691

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I would not write this.off as hysteria. It's important to consider motivation of potential actors. Every advanced rocket guidance system uses cameras to zero in on its targets during the final approach. You can't rely on GPS at that point. To do a good job you need to know what your target looks like and high resolution drone imagery helps a lot.

That’s not true. Many missiles exclusively use GNSS and/or INS, for example ATACMS and MLRS.

do you have a source for ATACMS using GNSS not GPS?

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Post by walrus01 »

15155 wrote: post #508
walrus01 wrote: post #377

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For starters, you need special waivers from the faa to fly at night. If any such waivers existed, I am sure the FAA would have told the news media who are hyping up this story.

This has not been the case for years. https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_operators/operations_over...

I was referring specifically to BVLOS operations at night. It's doubtful if there are any nearby operators of these craft that they're within legit LOS. Combination of BVLOS and night operations is presently only found in very special circumstances and test ranges like at Pendleton.

Of the number of operators who have active BVLOS waivers I am aware of, such as for powerline, pipeline survey and delivery operations, very few or none are trying to also operate at night.

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Post by [deleted] »

dgfitz wrote: post #616

Late to the thread so this will probably get buried. My spouse and I have seen these things flying for __years__ around the northern Baltimore area. They even had patterns. Recently, we have been hearing what sound like Apache helicopters at around the same time at night. This video in this article: https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-a978470fa3b... Is 100% __identical__ to what we have been seeing for l…

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Post by ricardobeat »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #793
dgfitz wrote: post #616

Late to the thread so this will probably get buried. My spouse and I have seen these things flying for __years__ around the northern Baltimore area. They even had patterns. Recently, we have been hearing what sound like Apache helicopters at around the same time at night. This video in this article: https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-a978470fa3b... Is 100% __identical__ to what we have been seeing for l…

As I mentioned in another comment, police departments have been using drones for around 10 years. That's not to mention all the other professional and amateur use. I personally know at least a handful of people who regularly fly theirs. Most major metro areas are going to have drones flying all over the place. So what I'm saying is...why is this interesting?

From the videos, these don't look like traditional photography drones, they are much larger. My money is on eVTOL aircraft. There are hundreds of companies developing them and most are completely unknown to the public.

One of them is probably intensifying their testing program and doesn't want news to leak out too early.

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