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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

palata wrote: post #813
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #578

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No shit. It's important but I'm wondering if it's overrated. It's a phone. I've passed on lots of devices because they aren't supported for long. It makes me wonder if the security updates are a mere sales pitch that doesn't actually benefit the user a whole lot. Great, it's harder to hack me. Would I have been hacked if I stuck with my Pixel 3? Hard to say. Overrated

> security updates are a mere sales pitch that doesn't actually benefit the user a whole lot Whose sales pitch would that be? I haven't noticed that, I believe security is mostly seen a source of cost. Also we tend to change phone frequently, which is the same as a security update. But if you keep it for 5 years, it starts to matter more. > Would I have been hacked if I stuck with my Pixel 3? Hard to say. Everyone sh…

I like the analogy but there is already a level of safety after a phone reaches EOL. It seems more akin to selling a 5-point harness to somebody who already has a seatbelt.

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Post by Springtime »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

It's why I've looked to LineageOS and which brands tend to get the longest support. There are apparently devotees to the Google Pixel line, with the Pixel 2 (2017) being one of the longest currently supported, receiving the latest Android 13. Granted, it probably wouldn't have hardware patches for say Qualcomm's 2020 vulnerability but I'm glad there are users who put in the effort to patch older devices.

Support seems to vary even between models though, so there's no guarantee support for continue as long for any others.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

noisy_boy wrote: post #751
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

They basically need four models to pretty much cover all the bases: 1. Budget: - Basic processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - Basic processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen 2. Flagship - High-end processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - High-end processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen

There's no significant market for a 4.5" screen phone in 2023. It's not like manufacturers haven't tried.

I would also argue that small screens are awful for consuming content nowadays. People with bad eyesight struggle with bigger fonts in a small screen, and publishers tend to try to fit more and more content in each screen. It's systemic.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by manuelabeledo »

philistine wrote: post #825
_trackno5 wrote: post #816

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While I enjoy smaller phones, it makes no sense to have high end smaller phones. It doesn’t sell. Just look at Apple’s sales and their cancellation of the mini. I’d love it to be the opposite so I didn’t have to hold on to my iphone 12 mini, but it’s just how things are. Most people don’t like smaller phones and would be a waste of resources to make high end ones.

We've been seeing reports for a while that the iPhone 14 Plus is selling softly. It might not be the mini's fault; perhaps Apple simply cannot get four models to sell like it wants to.

Plus sales were cannibalised by the Pro coming out earlier.

Mini sales were just not enough to justify having to order a miniature display by current standards.

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Post by mayankkaizen »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

I am currently typing this on a 4 years old shitty Xiaomi budget mobile phone. I don't recall if I've ever updated mobile software (or if there was an update available) but my phone is working as good as it should. So far I haven't seen any problem in installing any app. I don't see myself replacing this phone in next 6 month at least.

I guess tech people are way too much worried about security/software updates.

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Post by kuschku »

riku_iki wrote: post #649
kuschku wrote: post #503

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> there are connectors. Can I still charge my phone at the same time? Can I also get it with a larger battery? Should I just hot glue a connector, a powerpack, and a case to my phone to get an actual usable device out of it?

these are extra requirements in addition to updates and ability to use headphones, and which are specific to you. Looks like you are 0.001% minority, who doesn't pay enough money to draw interest from large manufacturers.

Am I a minority? The vast majority of phone models built and sold today match precisely what I just asked for.

It's only a few top of the line models which doesn't have these features. Devices which are more of a fashion statement than a device.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

input_sh wrote: post #760
justsomehnguy wrote: post #157

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> and some Motorolas I could never find in my country Hm? Writing this on g30 and Motos aren't popular here for years. Edit: like I bought the cheapest Samsung last year and the experience is night and day.

G30 isn't an Android One phone. Android One = nearly the same stock Android you'd get on a Pixel, no (non-Google) bloatware, no custom UI. It was never quite popular, but if you scroll through the Wikipedia list of devices ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_One ), you'll see it's pretty much only Nokia nowadays. Some Motorola models as well, but I couldn't find those specific models back when they were still new…

Honestly modern Motos are as close to the stock A. as you can get. Not really sure about E4, flashed it to LOS pretty soon, but g8 and, now, g30 has a minimal Moto integrations and some are actually useful, eg on g30 I finally adopted MotoActions (flash by chop-chop and camera by uugh doggo shake? lol) despite ignoring them for years, since XT720/RAZR. With g30 I even left the default launcher, it is good enough that I didn't bother.

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Post by usr1106 »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

To make things worse the 3 years seem to be counted from the release of the phone, not from when you buy it. So if you buy it a year after it came out, you get only 2 years.

I am so sick of the whole smartphone crap. Google monopoly (well, there is Apple, but it's worse), unhandy sizes, electronic waste years too early.

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Post by scarface74 »

josephcsible wrote: post #684
scarface74 wrote: post #682

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Yes Apple should support a 2G iPhone that no cellular network supports

Why shouldn't you be able to keep using it on Wi-Fi only?

So Apple should try to support a phone with 256MB RAM and a 400Mhz processor in 2007 that doesn’t even work on any cellular network?

What do you expect to do with it? The 2010 first generation iPad that came out 4 years later could barely handle modern web pages by 2011.

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