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Post by justinnhli »

danbolt wrote: post #768
techer wrote: post #466

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“Despite being widely attributed as a Chinese curse, there is no known equivalent expression in Chinese.[2] The nearest related Chinese expression translates as "Better to be a dog in times of tranquility than a human in times of chaos." (寧為太平犬，不做亂世人)”

It looks like the symbols for dog (犬) and person (人) are at end of each verse. I can't speak Chinese, but I'd imagine the line rings well hearing the ordering of subject/object/verb like that.

There are more constraints than that - the corresponding words in each phrase are also the same parts of speech, and are often read with a specific cadence. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antithetical_couplet

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by DubiousPusher »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #723
strategyanalyst wrote: post #690

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John Oliver is also focused on a sub-segment and is also at least misleading at times. There are no sources of information that are credible with more than 45-55% of US Gen pop. We really need a source that can at least be relied upon as accurate source by 70-80% to avoid total collapse of democratic order in US.

Find a business model that works for independent journalism, then. Advertising pays more with more controversy. Patronage (having a rich person pay the journalists) comes with strings. Consumers appear willing to pay for journalism only when it supports their political beliefs.

Yeah, the solution isn't to find a single fount of truth we can all sup from. We are where we are because that mid-century model was fragile. Not to mention it allowed Americans to overlook any wrongs that didn't blip on the radar of the NorthEast intellectual hegemony.

The real solution is a healthy ecosystem of independent news.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by FireBeyond »

hartator wrote: post #218
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #140

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Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

> no new wars

but multiple foreign military "actions"

> and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19

Well, you know other than seizing PPE, and then having your son-in-law, a part of your administration, state -on the record-, that you would openly withhold PPE from states that "weren't friendly to the President".

There's many, many more. But you're presenting a rather simplistic (and inaccurate) narrative here.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by guerrilla »

noctua wrote: post #655
guerrilla wrote: post #490

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This isn't really true. You won't be allowed on most anarchist servers unless you agree not to be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

I'm not active on any online anarchist servers so I can't comment on that. But the anarchists I know in real life, at least based on the conversations we've had, support absolute free speech.

You probably mean so-called libertarians or something. No anarchist I know online or in real life accepts hate speech in their community.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

lokar wrote: post #788
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #645

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> all the other mass media outlets All? C'mon. You can make the argument that MSNBC is a mirror of Fox News in terms of coddling its viewers, but if you're calling NPR or the New York Times "fact-free," you're only betraying your own ignorance of journalism standards. Investigating facts and reporting them clearly is a solved problem. There are people who go to universities to study how to do this well, then go to wo…

FWIW, there is bias in NPR/PBS/NYT/etc, but it is not in the content of the reports, but rather in what is reported. Any news org can only cover so much, there is an (editorial) call on what to cover and what not to cover. And in that (I've seen studies years go, so not handy) there is a detectable bias. IMO this is fine. I understand that story selection has editorial bias, even in news reporting. I compensate by re…

Yes, absolutely. I subscribe to both the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times precisely because they report different stories.

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Post by prof-dr-ir »

matthewrobertso wrote: post #699
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #645

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> all the other mass media outlets All? C'mon. You can make the argument that MSNBC is a mirror of Fox News in terms of coddling its viewers, but if you're calling NPR or the New York Times "fact-free," you're only betraying your own ignorance of journalism standards. Investigating facts and reporting them clearly is a solved problem. There are people who go to universities to study how to do this well, then go to wo…

Was the new york times factful in its reporting on iraq in 2003? And if they later investigated themselves and found that they published information that was not true, would that cancel the war pushed on us by the military industrial complex across all of our media and bring 500,000 dead Iraqis back to life?

Yes, this is a well-rehashed example where the NYT seems to have erred. But, poignant as it is, it is also increasingly further in the past - people born after some of those stories were written are adults now!

I think that giving more recent examples would strengthen your argument.

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Post by soared »

techer wrote: post #466
bl0b wrote: post #159

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I learned on HN some time ago that: > "May you live in interesting times" is an English expression that is claimed to be a translation of a traditional Chinese curse. While seemingly a blessing, the expression is normally used ironically; life is better in "uninteresting times" of peace and tranquility than in "interesting" ones, which are usually times of trouble. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_i…

“Despite being widely attributed as a Chinese curse, there is no known equivalent expression in Chinese.[2] The nearest related Chinese expression translates as "Better to be a dog in times of tranquility than a human in times of chaos." (寧為太平犬，不做亂世人)”

I might argue it’s always better to be a dog.

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Post by munk-a »

munificent wrote: post #623
dionian wrote: post #556

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Fox (however detestable you may find it) was created as an alternative to the corporate media hegemony on thought, I fear you have it backwards.

Fox News was created to have enough control over media to prevent a Nixon-like event ever happening to the GOP again. https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-ne...

That line summarizing the article you linked isn't inaccurate but left out some big chunks of logic. Just to clarify the article outlines that Fox News was created to prevent something like what Nixon did ever having a disastrous effect on the party - rather than preventing what Nixon did.
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