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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by jimnotgym »

rwmj wrote: post #138
jimnotgym wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you need to qualify that statement

They only survived at all because they owned a stake in Auto Trader Group which was sold off for £600m, allowing their non-profit parent to continue operating. Since then they are just about breaking even with subscriptions. They also (very controversially) employ many unpaid interns to do journalist jobs.

Just about breaking even may be seen as good financial management for a not-for-profit in an industry in massive decline.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by patrickaljord »

jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

> This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

They did have a person with that profile but then he was asked to resign.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by drdaeman »

lorenzhs wrote: post #219
drdaeman wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least one thing: containers don't have separate settings. I.e. one can't disable adblocking for the shopping container. Or, the very contrary, have a special no-cookies casual browsing container for very limited tracking.

It sounds like you want separate profiles, not containers. The point of containers is that all the settings and addons and saved passwords are still there. If you don't want that, you can create a second profile with different settings and a different set of addons, etc.

Yes, that's what I use (and what I have used before containers). I have simply assumed that containers are - supposedly - a take on modernizing profiles and making them convenient to use.

TBH, those days I tend to use separate browsers, because profile management is significantly less convenient than just running a different program.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by sieabahlpark »

dingaling wrote: post #782
sambe wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim was not that they can't reduce but that an 80% discount was too much to ask of people (and thus also their families). I don't think anyone at any pay level would be happy being paid 20% of similar roles. Perhaps the problem was putting people in these roles in the first place that would accept 20% of market rate. Raising their pay subsequently doesn't make them better at their job! The quote is not really c…

> . I don't think anyone at any pay level would be happy being paid 20% of similar roles. First, an 80% discount would still leave the CEO on a very comfortable salary. They're not going to have to dumpster-dive for dinner. Second, what about doing the job on principle ? Plenty of people volunteer their time to good causes for no money whatsoever.

Not everyone wants to do volunteer work in the first place. They want to be compensated, perhaps so they could support a family instead of living with their parents. Can't do that if you're working for free or minimum wage

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Post by sergeykish »

joshstrange wrote: post #764
djsumdog wrote: post #748

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> Brendan Eich's homophobia All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. Show me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals. We are in a dangerous world of viewpoint discrimination. A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at…

> All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. He supported at least 2, Prop 8 directly and a politician who opposed Prop 8. > A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. Ahh, ok, so it's perfectly fine to believe that gays should not be allowed to marry while leading a company such as Mozilla? > We all disagree on things; some of us on…

That's fascism - "forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society".

I may disagree on forced marriage or animals abuse or use of personal vehicle, these are controversial topics. I may call them slavery, cruelty, greenhouse gas supporters. And that may be better. Invent new words.

Marriage is an old tradition with huge set of semantics and a set of laws. There is a civil marriage, a religious marriage, prenuptial agreement. These days there is no obligation to perform it. Single person can adopt child.

Sam asked interesting question - can one marry his mother? sister? imaginary friend? pet he loves more than any human? his car? Why government has a word on any of these? And if anyone has such relations - don't ask the government. Call it whatever you want. I have had the day of first sight, the day I've proposed the hand and heart, the day I've asked for children and many more, these are the dearest moments. The day of marriage was not that great by comparison.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by [deleted] »

patrickaljord wrote: post #832
jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

> This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law. They did have a person with that profile but then he was asked to resign.

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by erichocean »

thundergolfer wrote: post #580
lma21 wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't. Why is it relevant?

The pigs that separate themselves in status from the rest of the farm animals horde more resources for themselves even in the face of worsening conditions on the farm (their grain windmill gets destroyed at some point). The pigs serve as placeholders for Stalinists, but the general dynamic exists in any political situation that accepts inequality, like corporate capitalism in the case of Mozilla.

> any political situation that accepts inequality

The pigs were swept into power on an anti-inequality/equity platform. Could be a lesson there…

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by arduinomancer »

cs702 wrote: post #623

Judging by the numerous projects Mozilla has launched and then abandoned in recent years, it seems the people running it are searching for new hit products, instead of investing for the long term on development of services and infrastructure that will benefit humankind for years and decades to come. Quoting from the OP: "In recent years Mozilla has created: * a mobile app for making websites * a federated identity sy…

Yeah but "investing for the long term on development of services and infrastructure that will benefit humankind" doesn't keep your company afloat.

Trying all these product ideas is exactly what I'd expect them to do if they're struggling with revenue.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by madmax96 »

staticassertion wrote: post #809
jacquesm wrote: post #377

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How will you pay for this? Without critical mass you are not going anywhere. FireFox had critical mass, and lost. You won't be able to recover that position without some extremely deep pockets even if you start off from what is there today. I am not convinced that even if Mozilla/FF got a competent CEO tomorrow and started executing 'just so' that they would be able to recover from their slide, a newcomer would have…

Google has done an incredible job of monetizing Chrome, I think it's a mistake to think that Firefox is somehow incapable of this.

How has Google monetized Chrome?
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