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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jascii » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:22 PM UTC

dbsmith83 wrote: post #814

jascii wrote: post #790

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The simple fact is that no people have been killed due to a protest blocking the road. People have been killed by police violence. Theoretical grandstanding over an unlikely hypothetical scenario to condemn protesters is being obtuse.

Oh really, how do you know this? Given the scale of protests over time, I bet it is likely someone has. And if someone hasn't already, someone eventually will. Saying something has never happened so therefore it won't happen is ridiculous. This is not theoretical grandstanding, this is recognizing a potential threat.

You don't think It'd be all over "Fox News" if it did?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jascii » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:31 PM UTC

giardini wrote: post #819

jascii wrote: post #788

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I am well aware of the benefits of visualisation which is why this is so disturbing. Driving a car into a crowd is not self-defense, it is mass homicide and mentally training yourself to make that a "valid option" can be extremely dangerous.

jcims clearly stated>"I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows , i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight." jcims didn't say that he would be "Driving a car into a crowd..." as you state. Clearly, if rioters begin beating a car and breaking windows the driver has the option of surviving by driving to preserve life, limb and property. jascii says> "mentally training yourself to make t…

I have worked as a UN human rights observer in several countries and have in that capacity been in vehicles in angry crowds. Standard operating procedure has always been to not engage and wait it out, and this has always worked well for me. Vehicular manslaughter is not a viable option: eventually your vehicle will be stopped and you'll have an even more enraged croud to deal with.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by CamperBob2 » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 5:36 AM UTC

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #549

CamperBob2 wrote: post #375

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The second amendment has everything to do with the question of whether the police (or any other state-sanctioned agency) is entitled to a monopoly on the use of force. But like I said, I don't understand any of this. Maybe others can offer some insight.

You can hold a gun. You can't, and shouldn't, shoot police with it. Even Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground cannot help you if you are being attacked or harassed by the police. I'm anti-gun, but as I understand it, the second amendment only "helps" against state actors if the population as a whole is willing to overthrow the current government. At that point what "is legal" changes, like when George Washington's tr…

Even Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground cannot help you if you are being attacked or harassed by the police.

Sounds like that might be changing for the better, given what transpired in the Breonna Taylor incident. I understand they just dropped the charges against her boyfriend, who shot at the police when they broke in.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by neuronic » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:55 AM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #726

neuronic wrote: post #718

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Police is actively avoiding helping victims of lootings. Helps to discredit the protests and US police NEVER have an interest in helping anyways. Just from personal experience in ca. 2012, the Binghamton, NY PD has openly threatened to plant drugs on us following a a noise complaint. We talked to officers trying to cooperate but as we weren't following ORDERS such as "Don't scratch your arm right now!" the cops escal…

I agree that the US police in general needs desperate remedial training. My experience with them wasn't pleasant either. I simply don't agree with the massive general violence and looting going on at the moment. That must be stopped. And police officers attempting to do so are being beaten to death. Some are also being shot while trying to prevent looting. I disagree that all police should pay for one person's crime.

Super late, but maybe you see this. I do not agree with the looting at all and believe these people have to be stopped and held accountable.

However, I think that the situation is so difficult, that society is incapable of finding a real helpful solution and as injustice keeps being comitted by police across the country, the emotions find a channel to break out.

How long can they violently treat citizens without consequences? The negative energy just seems to burst out here and it appears to be the natural consequence (which doesn't make the looting right, but maybe explains the negative energy a little bit).

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by dbsmith83 » Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 5:05 AM UTC

jascii wrote: post #831

dbsmith83 wrote: post #814

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Oh really, how do you know this? Given the scale of protests over time, I bet it is likely someone has. And if someone hasn't already, someone eventually will. Saying something has never happened so therefore it won't happen is ridiculous. This is not theoretical grandstanding, this is recognizing a potential threat.

You don't think It'd be all over "Fox News" if it did?

Sure, if it was perfectly knowable it would be. Fox news would be numero uno--no doubt. But things like this are not necessarily known. It can be a complicated thing to piece together. What IS known is that at a large scale there is a -calculable- probability that someone who needs help could get caught up, or someone like a surgeon who needs to give help could get caught up. Again, like I said earlier, if it hasn't happened then it will. I'm willing to bet it has happened (though whether it has or has not yet is pointless debate given that it will with a statistical certainty).