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Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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During extensive, complex discussions like these, it becomes readily apparent that while the HN/Reddit-style threaded text forum is the best format I know of, it's still woefully inadequate.

There will soon be 1000 comments on this page- none of which are merely simple thoughts. Nobody could read them all and still maintain a cohesive, holistic perspective on all the issues presented. Most of the comments themselves splinter into anecdotal tangents, and surely every comment has overlap with another comment here. But, should any comment be omitted from consideration? I think not, because every opinion presented holds unique value. We, as mere humans, just can't consider each one individually. Not at internet scale.

While it's a precarious use of ML, we really do need computational synthesis and analysis to draw trends from these discussions. We all know ML recognizes and reinforces biases- so we shouldn't be training a classifier by using HN's sentiment as a baseline. That said, we need a solution here, ideally soon. Until that happens, I won't be wasting my time dropping 2 cents into a bottomless void.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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post #511

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> I think they're right about Trump, and therefore that they're very wrong about continuing to endorse Thiel. I think it's a very slippery slope to base endorsement on a person's political actions. It raises some important questions: -Do you stop endorsing and associating with everyone who supports Trump? Where do you draw the line logically? -Why can't people with opposing views work together and agree to disagree o…

> I think it's a very slippery slope to base endorsement on a person's political actions. Is it though? Let's take it a bit further: would YC be expected to continue to endorse, say, a confirmed and outspoken Fascist? How about someone who had donated to organizations with an explicit, stated objective of reducing the rights of women and minorities? Or supporting a political organization which intends to carry out et…

> Is it though? Let's take it a bit further: would YC be expected to continue to endorse, say, a confirmed and outspoken Fascist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

Moreover, loosely associating is characteristically different from positively endorsing.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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post #792

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lol snopes

I'm going to say again what I said yesterday: I'm really unhappy that this is what passes for discourse on HN now.

My own goal is to never talk about the other folks on a thread. That's never the topic. As a shorthand, I never use the word 'you' in a comment if I can help it. Keep it impersonal.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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The socialist tradition has a suitable term: "class traitor". The ruling class is ruling, in substantial parts because they are better at cooperating than other classes (and are good at seeding discord in other classes). One aspect of ruling class cooperation is ruthlessly punishing their own class traitors. I suspect that is part of what the whole saga is about.

That's interesting. What are some other examples of ruling-class traitors getting punished? P.S. I hate having to add a disclaimer like this, but: I'm genuinely interested.

I don't have an example of one getting punished, but I do recall this book, Traitor to His Class: The Privileged Life and Radical Presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt: https://www.amazon.com/Traitor-His-Class-Privileged-Presiden...

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The socialist tradition has a suitable term: "class traitor". The ruling class is ruling, in substantial parts because they are better at cooperating than other classes (and are good at seeding discord in other classes). One aspect of ruling class cooperation is ruthlessly punishing their own class traitors. I suspect that is part of what the whole saga is about.

That's interesting. What are some other examples of ruling-class traitors getting punished? P.S. I hate having to add a disclaimer like this, but: I'm genuinely interested.

Insider trading prosecutions are usually examples of either this phenomenon or the related effort to keep upstarts out of the executive class. Only certain people may steal from investors in public firms.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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post #166

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Right, but a large portion of supporters are not donating over a million dollars. I'd expect that person to be for Donald Trump, rather than some vague wish for republican values.

I've traditionally associated more with Republicans than Democrats. Like many others around here, I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal. The Republican party's stance on social issues, especially marriage equality and lack of tolerance in general, has been chronically infuriating to me. I believe Thiel was the first openly gay convention speaker in the history of the Republican party. He received a standing…

There was that moment with Theil's speech, but there was also the moment in Trump's acceptance speech where he said that we were going to protect the lives of all LGBTQ Americans, and he got a big round of applause from the crowd, and then he added, “And I have to say, as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said. Thank you.” It was a pretty amazing moment.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/07/22/trump-makes-histo...

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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post #662

"Can't we just drone the guy?" - Hillary Clinton, on Assange.

The basis for this is claimed to be anonymous "State Department sources," by way of a single blog which does nothing but print right-wing hatchet jobs (True Pundit). Considering the lack of credibility in True Pundit's other posts, it would not shock me if the quote was fabricated. Please do your research before posting unverified quotes as fact.

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