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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #526
syspec wrote: post #344

Meanwhile, you can't even go on pornhub in certain states in the US, but yes let's let people go on X and engage in hate speech. In fact I'm sure bad actors will use that site FROM the us, to anonymize their hate speech from Russia/China

Americans is land of the free until someone shows a nipple. Or copies a floppy. Or refuses to partake in flag shagging. Or says something critical of the president. Basically America is very good at protecting hate speech, not so good at the rest.

> Americans is land of the free until someone shows a nipple. Or copies a floppy. Or refuses to partake in flag shagging. Or says something critical of the president.

Can you give an example of censoring of any of these type of content? AFAIK there is only age gating.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by jollyllama »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #526
syspec wrote: post #344

Meanwhile, you can't even go on pornhub in certain states in the US, but yes let's let people go on X and engage in hate speech. In fact I'm sure bad actors will use that site FROM the us, to anonymize their hate speech from Russia/China

Americans is land of the free until someone shows a nipple. Or copies a floppy. Or refuses to partake in flag shagging. Or says something critical of the president. Basically America is very good at protecting hate speech, not so good at the rest.

A popular meme, but consider that part of the discourse around the EU censorship is Grok's undressing feature.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by codethief »

0xy wrote: post #794
codethief wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Digital Services Act […] The UK in particular You do realize that the UK is not part of the EU? So I'm not sure how UK's supposed "weaponization" of Ofcom has anything to do with Macron's statement. > which is repeatedly and routinely used by European nations to crack down on protected political speech. I'm really looking forward to your sources here. The DSA does not contain any provisions that change anything…

Original OP clearly said "Europe", not the EU. As for the DSA censorship, I don't think you've read it. https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/foreign-cen...

> Original OP clearly said "Europe", not the EU.

But the Digital Services Act is EU-specific? Macron's statement referenced the DSA specifically, so I don't know what the UK has to do with that.

> As for the DSA censorship, I don't think you've read it.

I have. In fact, it seems you didn't read the links I shared, given that the second reference specifically addresses the – quite frankly – bullshit House Judiciary Comittee Republicans' report you linked to. (Again, to emphasize, this report was authored by the committee's Republican members only. In today's MAGA-controlled congress, I don't think such a report can count as authorative reference any longer.)

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by chopin »

tchalla wrote: post #208
gpt5 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. In Italy, people have faced criminal charges for simply criticizing the prime minister. When the government does not allow its population to freely speak against it, it's just waiting to be abused by one bad leader.

> Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. Germany restricts insulting individuals / your neighbour, police officer, a pastor or a minister. There’s no special law for politicians. Political criticism is protected under the Basic Law (constitution). Go ahead and be crucial about a politician’s actions but don’t insult their person’s honour or use a sl…

There is a special law for politicians.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by basisword »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #508
jeroenhd wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American free speech laws are the exception, not the rule. All European free speech laws have always been balanced and weighed up against other laws. This is hardly anything new. If anything, the internet has brought forth a short time period where everything goes and the status quo is now recovering. The legal definition of hate speech (or rather, its local equivalents) is not just "any ideas counter to beliefs I ho…

American free speech laws are the superior option. A government that has the power to arrest people for saying "hateful" things is no better than China or North Korea. But at least you won't need to deal with people saying mean things (that you can block) on your computer (that no one is forcing you to use for social media) anymore, right?

>> A government that has the power to arrest people for saying "hateful" things is no better than China or North Korea.

The US government is quite literally shooting dead American citizens in the street with zero consequences. You have a president who was found in civil court to be a rapist. He was impeached and had dozens of charges brought against him. He's unilaterally murdering people at sea and kidnapping foreign leaders.

EU countries balancing the right to freedom of speech against other rights is a drop in ocean compared to what's going on in the land of the free.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by dmitrygr »

Epa095 wrote: post #400
dmitrygr wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really not understand the sort of slippery slope that presents?

My point is that this is the norm, not the exception in legal systems. It's good for laws to be clear cut and unambiguous, but in practice the world is not, and laws gets interpreted as courts use them.

Yes — a very clear and unambiguous “speech is allowed” is the correct solution. If your feelings got hurt, you can cry to your mommy. The world does not owe anybody comfort.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by sunaookami »

oblio wrote: post #500
sunaookami wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that the US government finally speaks out about the rampant censorship from the EU regime but I wouldn't trust a state VPN. But they put the topic on the radar. Hope they can pressure enough to abolish the DSA. And USAID was just funding for propaganda outlets.

> I like that the US government finally speaks out about the rampant censorship from the EU regime Are you a EU citizen?

Yes.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by sunaookami »

dgellow wrote: post #442
sunaookami wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The website rt.com is banned in the whole EU due to a decret by von der Leyen which bypassed parliament. It's trivial to bypass since it's "only" a DNS block but it's still censorship (no matter how you think about the content of RT). Same for Sputnik and the relevant TV channels.

That’s a complete lie. I’m in Germany and can access rt.com perfectly fine

Why do you accuse me of lying when you can literally google it and the decret that got passed? Not every ISP seems to participate (if you'd googled it you find news articles complaining that it isn't censor enoughed ironically: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/business/media/russia-rt-...).

EDIT: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by sunaookami »

krige wrote: post #461
sunaookami wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The website rt.com is banned in the whole EU due to a decret by von der Leyen which bypassed parliament. It's trivial to bypass since it's "only" a DNS block but it's still censorship (no matter how you think about the content of RT). Same for Sputnik and the relevant TV channels.

No it isn't. t. EU citizen.

It is, see the other comment. t. also EU citizen

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ivan_gammel »

josefrichter wrote: post #678
ivan_gammel wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately EU is now developing practice of extrajudicial sanctions on EU and national level, targeting both media and individuals expressing points of views alternative to position of Brussels or Berlin. Vance was surprisingly right back then in Munich. It’s not just Russian propaganda, but now it is conveniently used as a blanket cover to sanction even EU citizens (see case of German journalist Hüseyin Doğru, wh…

These are very broad generalizations and accusations based on very few individual cases, each of which has its own specific context. And "expressing points of view alternative to position of Brussels and Berlin" sounds like typical propaganda nonsense. Vance couldn't be further from truth, and his remarks sound even more ridiculous in the light of what's happening on US soil.

Do you have any specific argument about why that specific context matters and how it can justify violation of basic human rights? or it is just a dismissal with „broad generalization“?
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