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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by vdqtp3 »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #712
rayiner wrote: post #562

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It’s not obsolete. In a country where your military is farm boys, the important thing is being able to start the war. Eventually chunks of the military will defect. We saw this happen during the Bangladesh independence movement. The revolutionaries got lucky and knocked over a weapons depot early in the conflict. They started fighting and a large number of the Pakistani army that was of Bangladeshi ancestry defected.…

The 2A crowd has been really quiet this past year. Hell, Trump even said in response to the Pretti shooting that only criminals walk around carrying guns in public. I guess no one cares about government tyranny unless they're asked to respect someone's pronouns.

> Hell, Trump even said in response to the Pretti shooting that only criminals walk around carrying guns in public.

If you were paying any attention at all, you'd see pretty much every 2A community, advocate and lobbying group was outraged by that statement and made statements against it.

Having said that, it is actually illegal to carry a firearm to go commit crimes like destroying government property, assaulting federal officers and obstructing them in carrying out their constitutional duties.

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Post by stefanfisk »

Zak wrote: post #773
stefanfisk wrote: post #341

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The could if lawmakers wanted them to. Here in Sweden potato guns are actually illegal if the potato achieves 10+ joule.

That's effectively a complete ban as a thrown potato would have considerably more energy than that. A quick web search suggests professional baseball pitchers achieve ~130J, and a potato is roughly comparable to a baseball in mass.

Yep.

I'm not saying that I'm for it, just that writing a law that bans them isn't all that hard.

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Post by Retric »

AngryData wrote: post #230
Retric wrote: post #122

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> Girardoni repeating air rifle Not a firearm. I didn’t say we could ban compressed air powered guns, I specifically said percussion caps. The Girardoni was way less dangerous than a modern handgun.

The Girardoni is certainly and unusual example but is deadly. However more importantly it is far from the first repeating firearm. There is the Kalthoff and Cookson repeating rifles as the most prominent examples. And both Jefferson and Washington personally got offered to purchase repeating firearms per their own journals, im im sure they weren't the only founders to receive such offers for both personal and militar…

Again way less dangerous than a modern firearm.

“Repeating” here ignores the actual rate of fire of a Kalthoff or the even worse Cookson design. Especially when you consider how slow reloading is vs modern firearms.

How many lives would have been saved at the Las Vegas massacre if Paddock has been limited to these designs? I’d say 30 is a safe bet but that’s probably a low estimate.

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Post by seg_lol »

vdqtp3 wrote: post #821
FatherOfCurses wrote: post #712

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The 2A crowd has been really quiet this past year. Hell, Trump even said in response to the Pretti shooting that only criminals walk around carrying guns in public. I guess no one cares about government tyranny unless they're asked to respect someone's pronouns.

> Hell, Trump even said in response to the Pretti shooting that only criminals walk around carrying guns in public. If you were paying any attention at all, you'd see pretty much every 2A community, advocate and lobbying group was outraged by that statement and made statements against it. Having said that, it is actually illegal to carry a firearm to go commit crimes like destroying government property, assaulting fe…

> illegal to carry a firearm to go commit crimes

Of which Pretti did zero of.

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Post by seg_lol »

rayiner wrote: post #798
FatherOfCurses wrote: post #712

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The 2A crowd has been really quiet this past year. Hell, Trump even said in response to the Pretti shooting that only criminals walk around carrying guns in public. I guess no one cares about government tyranny unless they're asked to respect someone's pronouns.

Why would the 2A people say anything? Conservatives aren’t libertarians. They think government has legitimate functions and draw a distinction between government performing those functions (which isn’t tyranny) and the government exceeding its scope (which is tyranny). Removing foreigners here illegally is a core function of the government. Social engineering is not.

> Why would the 2A people say anything

Because Trump is very anti 2A.

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Post by int_19h »

ActorNightly wrote: post #709
int_19h wrote: post #422

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The problem is that the people with guns also happen to be, by and large, the people who very much support what ICE is doing. Whereas those who oppose it have enthusiastically disarmed themselves.

Even more reason to take away guns from people.

Who is going to be doing that? The cops and other LEOs? Why would they take guns from their friends and neighbors on behalf of some liberal whom they hate?

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Post by int_19h »

Retric wrote: post #660
int_19h wrote: post #421

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What makes you believe that grenades are banned in US? They are heavily taxed, yes - $200 per grenade - but they aren't banned on the federal level, and there are people who legally own such things.

“Possessing a live grenade is illegal.” https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-def... Obviously there’s a bunch of exceptions, including as you point out the federal option of going through a background check and paying 200$/grenade. But that’s only at the federal level it doesn’t necessarily meet state requirements. The rules on those background checks are as capricious as banning people who were d…

They are not "exceptions". It's exactly as I wrote: possessing a live grenade is legal, subject only to paying the $200 tax and doing the associated paperwork for the feds. The illegal part is not paying the tax.

State laws are another matter entirely, but even many states with stringent gun laws don't ban DDs specifically (probably because many lawmakers are not aware that such things are legal).

As for the background checks, I own over a dozen NFA-regulated items including a destructive device (a 40mm grenade launcher), and I can't say that the rules aren't really any more onerous than they are for regular firearms. This particular bit about "banning people who were dishonorably discharged from the military" applies equally to any firearm transfer under federal jurisdiction, for example (e.g. buying across state lines, or within states that mandate a federal check for anything). As I recall, the only thing that stood out in NFA forms compared to the regular stuff was the need to submit fingerprints. That aside, it was smooth sailing even back when I wasn't a citizen. So really the only barrier is affordability, and AFAIK this is exactly how the NFA was intended to work back when it was designed ($200 was about 4x the price of a full auto gun like Thompson back then, so it basically made them outlandishly expensive, only available to the rich).

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Post by kanwisher »

hedora wrote: post #818
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #464

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Too bad everyone jumped shipped to Bambuu Labs. If only we still had open source hardware.

I’m new to 3d printing. I saw bambu pushed a firmware update that bricked offline mode, so didn’t really consider them when shopping around. I’m really liking my (better specs for less money) elegoo centauri. I compiled the slicer from source because there weren’t Linux binaries. All problems solved. It even happily prints exotic stuff like TPU, which I guess bambu has been cracking down on for unclear reasons. Maybe…

Bambu is leagues better than other printers. Also its super convienant to queue up a job from your phone and then watch it live video feed.

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Post by rayiner »

seg_lol wrote: post #824
vdqtp3 wrote: post #821

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> Hell, Trump even said in response to the Pretti shooting that only criminals walk around carrying guns in public. If you were paying any attention at all, you'd see pretty much every 2A community, advocate and lobbying group was outraged by that statement and made statements against it. Having said that, it is actually illegal to carry a firearm to go commit crimes like destroying government property, assaulting fe…

> illegal to carry a firearm to go commit crimes Of which Pretti did zero of.

There is video of him kicking light the tail light of a federal law enforcement vehicle, which is definitely a crime. And that’s just what we have video of.

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Post by rayiner »

seg_lol wrote: post #825
rayiner wrote: post #798

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the 2A people say anything? Conservatives aren’t libertarians. They think government has legitimate functions and draw a distinction between government performing those functions (which isn’t tyranny) and the government exceeding its scope (which is tyranny). Removing foreigners here illegally is a core function of the government. Social engineering is not.

> Why would the 2A people say anything Because Trump is very anti 2A.

He’s a Clinton Democrat so that tracks.
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