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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by RugnirViking »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #226
echelon wrote: post #197

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I'm way more worried about drones, self-driving cars, and humanoid robots than "ghost guns". Once these things can move around us, far away from their owner, there is enormous potential for societal harm. Someone could buy a $10k Figure robot, strap a bomb or nerve agent to it, then have it walk into a public place. If we just accept these robots as normal everyday things (it seems like we will), we wouldn't even bli…

The first person to build ChatGPT with limbs wins. The British army only has maybe 20,000 actual soldiers. You could manufacture enough robots to kill them all in a week. Then you’d just have a whole country. It’ll completely change the game. There’s no point selling it to a state for their army, when you could just instantly make yourself the owner of the state.

this is so handwavy about so many disciplines of human effort?

robotics? (if you can assume AGI with a perfect world model and perfect motor skills you're insanely further than we are now, like hundreds of years in the future)

military planning? (the british isles haven't been invaded since roman times, hint its not for lack of soldiers)

logistics? (power? fuel? ammunition? boats? planes? parachutes?)

law? (where are you launching your invasion from? how are you testing the killbots without being noticed? who is letting you?)

it seems like the only way you believe this is if you've given completely up on trying to understand anything and just truly to your core think that AI = magic

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

socalgal2 wrote: post #190
pjc50 wrote: post #33

This is insanely stupid stuff. Even the UK with our weird panic over Incredibly Specific Knives hasn't tried to do this kind of technical restriction to prevent people printing guns. Why not? Because nobody is printing guns! It's an infeasible solution to a non-problem! Someone should dig into who this is coming from and why. The answers are usually either (a) they got paid to do it by a company selling the tech, whi…

And so, Nick Bostrom's total surveillance required, starts https://nickbostrom.com/papers/vulnerable.pdf

The premise here would have to be that it was previously difficult for the majority of the population to obtain a weapon.

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Post by hahahahhaah »

rdiddly wrote: post #32

4th Amendment, unreasonable search. And of course the 2nd, but the former is more worrying. Also if printing is speech, then you can add the 1st to the list as well.

Right, so they can't use the blocked print as cause to get other evidence. Or if they do it is excluded.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

Too bad everyone jumped shipped to Bambuu Labs. If only we still had open source hardware.

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Post by lostlogin »

mrighele wrote: post #443
mystraline wrote: post #325

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"This is how its always been" is one of the banes of my existence. It explains why we're here, but not how to do better. There are ways to do better. A national holiday for elections has been mentioned countless times. We could do like Australia and mandate required voting. Prisoners should be able to vote. But this country is too hell-bent on punishment. Registration can be made on the same day of voting, rather tha…

There are a few things that could be done to improve the electoral process in USA. An easy one would be to have people vote on weekends instead of Tuesday. The second would be to have more polling station so that people don't have to wait hours to be able to vote (alas this seems to be by design). Since we are there, but unrelated to the amount of people voting, fix the vote counting process so that you can get the r…

Also on the list: Tackling the electoral college thing such that every voter contributed equally, regardless of their home state.

I don’t live in the US, but US elections have quite an influence and it’s frustrating to see a system I perceive as very flawed having such an effect here, at the other end of the world in New Zealand.

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Post by rl3 »

purplehat_ wrote: post #425
ls612 wrote: post #407

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When the FBI comes to you, an executive at a printer manufacturer, and says “implement tracking dots or we will discover criminal images on your son’s laptop” or some similar situation the existence or lack thereof of any legal requirement is irrelevant.

I hear sentiment like this occasionally and I genuinely wonder if this is conspiracy theory stuff or if this sort of thing actually happened in the past. I'm aware of the programs Snowden revealed, Tempora / XKeyscore / Longhaul / the like, plus I've heard J. Edgar Hoover did bad things and lots of CIA meddling internationally was bad. Still, these seem qualitatively different to the explicit blackmail you're referri…

One of the more notable examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

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Post by rl3 »

phire wrote: post #431
ls612 wrote: post #407

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When the FBI comes to you, an executive at a printer manufacturer, and says “implement tracking dots or we will discover criminal images on your son’s laptop” or some similar situation the existence or lack thereof of any legal requirement is irrelevant.

Blackmail an Executive? That's a complete overkill. It's so much easier just to "recruit" the direct manager of the firmware engineering team. Convince them it's their patriotic duty to add "tracking dots" to the design requirements without drawing attention to where the requirement came from. The engineers implementing it will assume the requirement came from somewhere above, or another engineering team. And if the…

The most unrealistic part here is that you're assuming they can even find their desired firmware manager on the org chart.

Moreover, most executives don't require blackmail; they tend to go along to get along.

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Post by dns_snek »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #464
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

Too bad everyone jumped shipped to Bambuu Labs. If only we still had open source hardware.

We do still have open source hardware but that's the last line of defense against actions like this, not the first. They'll target distribution which will affect open source and proprietary hardware equally. You need to kill this sort of legislation in its crib.

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Post by somenameforme »

int_19h wrote: post #389
sheepscreek wrote: post #300

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Yep. Democracy is working according to a non-minority in the country. Agree to disagree?

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I do not think the current government in the US is fascist, but electing fascists would indeed be an exercise in democracy. The entire point of democracy is that it's the will of the people, whether right or wrong.

This is precisely why democracy was never seen as a tenable system for millennia. Thinkers of the past always assumed that the people would be incapable of picking the most skilled leaders, and would instead end up picking the most charismatic leaders. This is precisely what Plato's endlessly cited allegory of the Ship of State [1] is about.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_State

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

mrheosuper wrote: post #455
throw3e98 wrote: post #378

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> because you still can't get the other parts that aren't printed Every part except the firing pin is now printable (you can print quite strong carbon-fiber reinforced parts at home). The firing pin can be made from a nail or similar piece of metal. > You can't get bullets Bullets are mostly easy enough to make. One of my neighbors growing up was a competitive shooter who competed nationally and internationally. He m…

In my country, Guns and Bullets are heavily controlled(Even airsoft is banned here). You can not get explosive unless you prove you have legit use for it(usually for mining). And of course DIY gun or bullet is no-no and you will be jailed. Even in police force or army, they literally count every single bullet, and for every fired bullet, it must be explained in detail. Maybe that's why we have low gun-related crime h…

> You can not get explosive unless you prove you have legit use for it(usually for mining).

Gunpowder is fairly simple to make.

> Maybe that's why we have low gun-related crime here.

Mexico has extremely restrictive gun laws and that is not the case there. It seems to have more to do with how much crime you have than whether someone who could be charged with homicide could redundantly be charged with having a firearm.

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