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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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> no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza “By December 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported that at least 70,117 people in Gaza had been killed. The vast majority of the victims were civilians, and around 50% were women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the hi…

Ahem, Gaza Health Ministry? https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministr...

Yeah, that group that even the IDF now says is credible

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#822
post #417

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> no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza “By December 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported that at least 70,117 people in Gaza had been killed. The vast majority of the victims were civilians, and around 50% were women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the hi…

"Gaza Health Ministry had reported" do you think this is an unbiased, accurate source?

The IDF thinks so

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#823
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One could ask, who is giving Iran and North Korea this technology? Most of it they aren't developing themselves.

Why do you say that? Iranian engineers are incredibly talented.

It's not meant as a slight against Iranian engineers, I believe Iranian engineers can be as talented as any engineers in the world. I just imagine they may be resource constrained. So the question is more about geo-politics, who stands to gain by transferring technology to the Iranian government that allows them to surveil the Iranian population and maintain absolute control?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Lifting the sanctions doesn't suddenly make their government, regulation or economy stable. Their biggest companies are all government-owned and famously corrupt and mismanaged. This is criticism given from most of the region when the topic of lifting sanctions comes up. Nothing I said is novel or extreme. In fact, we have direct evidence of what happens when those sanctions are lifted from when it was done under the…

> October 7th happened. This is a weird thing to say to me. You're saying that keeping sanctions on Iran is important to prevent another October 7 because Iran was funding Hamas? Okay, but then wouldn't it be better to put sanctions on Israel , since they're the aggressive, colonizing, occupying force?

1. Not just funding, but arming and training. 2. On the edge of whataboutism, but definitely victim-blaming regardless of your position on Israel. 3. Sanctions on Israel won't stop Iran from attempting to wipe Israel off the map. It'll only help. 4. Looking at global politics through the lens of black/white, either/or is fucking crazy and stupid.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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post #813

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Lifting the sanctions doesn't suddenly make their government, regulation or economy stable. Their biggest companies are all government-owned and famously corrupt and mismanaged. This is criticism given from most of the region when the topic of lifting sanctions comes up. Nothing I said is novel or extreme. In fact, we have direct evidence of what happens when those sanctions are lifted from when it was done under the…

> October 7th happened. This is a weird thing to say to me. You're saying that keeping sanctions on Iran is important to prevent another October 7 because Iran was funding Hamas? Okay, but then wouldn't it be better to put sanctions on Israel , since they're the aggressive, colonizing, occupying force?

I used to think like you. There is some deeply human in seeking basic justice that even small children have strong reactions even for the minor perceived injustices, let alone for serious stuff.

However when your survival is at stake (and the survival of your own kind and culture) people often stop giving a damn about who was right and who was wrong and they just try to defend themselves.

Many people understand this when the people defending themselves are Palestinians, and somehow are able to forgive senseless violence that they do, all because "they are in the right".

But somehow they cannot imagine that Israeli Jews are living for a long time in a genuine existential threat. Many people just think that all those Jews who live in Israel should just go back where they came from. That's obviously impossible since many fled countries where they didn't feel safe.

It's hard to understand the determination to fight for having just a normal life. We can't understand this because most people in the world have a "nation" a "fatherland" a place where they don't get butchered just because they belong to a given race or speak with an accent or have a long nose.

The situation is not symmetrical at all. Arabs can live in Israel. Arab citizens are not discriminated, there are Arab doctors, Arab justices, Arab members of the parlament. 20% of the Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims.

Israel is the multicultural democratic state that everybody claims to want Palestine to be. Jews need Israel to exist because they need a state that will protect them and not be at the whims of whatever populist government will turn their neighbors against (as it happened many times in many places, not only in Germany)

And yes, Israel did do many crimes directly and indirectly and has mistreated Palestinians in many cases.

But you have to put things in context. Arabs never accepted the Palestinian state and fought with several wars. Which they lost.

These kind of stuff happened many times in history, even recent history. Many borders were redrawen even in Europe and people were displaced. None of that is a good thing for people who suffered it

But Arabs did something that nobody else did for quite a long time: they engaged in a holy war, using suicide bombings and having an utter disregard for their own lives and the lives of their own children, all in the name of martyrdom. This ideology is very hard to fight. Japanese lost and surrendered, Germans lost and surrendered. Palestinian lost and kept blowing up people and making their own women and children dangerous. This increased the tension and created the condition for security checks and a kind of apartheid.

But this can be solved, if only Arabs stopped demanding the destruction of Israel. Of course, Israel cannot accept laying down their arms and letting them be butchered.

There is truth in the quote: if Palestinians laid down their arms there will be peace, if Israelis laid down their arms there would be genocide.

This seems like a crazy statement but this happens every single time Israel lowers their guard.

The only reason Israeli Jews are not dead is because they are efficient at defending themselves.

They are constantly bombed but they blow the rockets out of the air. They have shelters.

That's why there are so few dead Jews. Not for lack of trying on the Arab side.

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So what is the right thing to do in this case?

Saying "Israel shouldn't have been created in 48 so they are and they always been colonizers so now they just have to go away"?

How can this be reasonable solution? We're talking about millions of people who are born there for a few generations now.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#826
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You haven't shown that the lineage is connected to modern Persian people nor whether it is particularly prominent in Persian culture as a whole Torture and power preserving/seeking are emergent and universal, nothing particularly Persian about it

I feel you must not have met any people from continually-multi-thousand-year-old cultures. I believe Crete was the first country to unilaterally declare itself a part of another country, because being Greek is possibly the strongest and proudest connection they share. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete#Cretan_State_and_union_w... The Jewish Diaspora take great lengths to preserve their traditions; you can walk into…

Where do you think I'm from lol .....

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#827
post #813

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> October 7th happened. This is a weird thing to say to me. You're saying that keeping sanctions on Iran is important to prevent another October 7 because Iran was funding Hamas? Okay, but then wouldn't it be better to put sanctions on Israel , since they're the aggressive, colonizing, occupying force?

1. Not just funding, but arming and training. 2. On the edge of whataboutism, but definitely victim-blaming regardless of your position on Israel. 3. Sanctions on Israel won't stop Iran from attempting to wipe Israel off the map. It'll only help. 4. Looking at global politics through the lens of black/white, either/or is fucking crazy and stupid.

2. Its not whataboutism, it's addressing the issue (The motivations and ability of Hamas to attack Israel) from a different angle (maybe instead of stopping attacks on Israel in a very roundabout way by sanctioning Iran so they have less ability to arm and train any Palestinian resistance, we reduce the motivation for Hamas/Palestinians to fight Israel by putting pressure on Israel to stop their occupation/apartheid of Palestine? Bonus, it's the right thing to do)

3. Consider that Israel is also interested in wiping most of its neighbors off the map (and has, in the past 2 years, already attacked 5 of its neighbors, often with disproportionate force and brutality), and unlike Iran has far more military might and international support to do so? If we want to reduce violence in the middle east, let's look at the nation most prone to dishing it out, and most able to defend itself from it.

4. When did I look at anything through a black and white lens? I didn't say one or the other, I said my method would be more fruitful (and just)

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#828

The silence of MSM (particularly the BBC) is eye-opening.

>The silence of MSM (particularly the BBC) is eye-opening. Daily reports from the BBC, and the rate of them is increasing https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cjnwl8q4ggwt Some of the headlines- New Iran videos show bodies piled in hospital and snipers on roofs 'I saw people getting shot': Eyewitness tells of Iran protest crackdown An Iranian who got out of the country describes scenes of chaos as security forces opened f…

https://twitter.com/Saul_Sadka/status/2015820189904814323

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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According to their website NED is based in washington dc. The CIA hq is not in fairfax, it is in Langley. Even if they were in the same city that is an incredibly weak argument. Custom ink (the shirt company) is also in fairfax. Are they a cia front too?

The NED is a CIA-cut out says the New York Times: "The National Endowment for Democracy, created 15 years ago to do in the open what the Central Intelligence Agency has done surreptitiously for decades"[1]. [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20161118042417/https://www.nytim...

1. That is simply an onlooker's opinion. 2. It provides no evidence that Iran Int'l is CIA backed.

If you're going to provide another link to a random journalist making assertions without evidence, save the trouble as it will be just as noncredible

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#830

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Can we see your documentation for this claim?

What part? NGO/thinktanks operating within a 30 minute drive to the nation's capital? One such example is James Leibold, a scholar of Xinjiang ethnic policy. He would report on Xiajiang and the claimed genocide. He is an australian. He worked for the Jamestown Foundation based in DC. On the Board of Directors for the Jamestown Foundation is a man named Michael G Vickers, who was previously the Under Secretary of Defe…

> What part? NGO/thinktanks operating within a 30 minute drive to the nation's capital?

That is a pedestrian fact. Any organization seeking influence in Washington will be located in Washington. This provides zero evidence that Washington pulls its strings or otherwise directs it.

Your whole screed is irrelevant. It gives no evidence regarding Iran Int'l.

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