How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized • Hacker News Board

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by fergie » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:22 AM UTC

danielbenzvi1 wrote: post #480

fergie wrote: post #15

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Moderate Israelis are the only people who have the power to peacefully defuse the situation.

Moderates in Israel have shrunk because for decades, every attempt at compromise seemed to end in more violence rather than peace. From the Oslo years and the Second Intifada, to the Gaza withdrawal and repeated rocket wars, many Israelis came to believe that “giving ground” only brought terror closer to their homes. The sense is that moderation was tried, failed, and cost lives. On top of that, politics and demograp…

I appreciate the response, and I essentially agree with your assessment that this has become the prevailing feeling in Israel. With that being said: surely Israelis understand that the current direction of travel leads to a dark place, not least for Israel itself? I can't imagine a reality where the crisis in Gaza continues and Israel continues to be supported by the West. And then what happens? Surely at some point peace and reconciliation prevails?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dotancohen » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:23 AM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

> Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response

Was Hamas' response proportionate to Israeli actions? What actions specifically.

Before you answer wildly, note that you're talking to someone who knows a dozen hostages and ex-hostages personally. Someone who knows two women whose babies were burned to death. Some whose daughter lost a close friend (that friend was slaughtered in his home along with both siblings and both parents, in their pajamas). Someone whose son's camp counselor was dragged to Gaza and murdered. I could go on. What was Hamas' actions a proportionate respond to?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by buyucu » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:24 AM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #560

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Israel has killed more civilians in a year, than Hamas has in its entire existence. This was has been initiated by Israel invading Palestine.

The only reason more Israelis haven't died is because Israel builds bunkers and iron dome rockets to protect its civilians. Hamas builds tunnels to protect its rockets and hides among civilians. You can't compare the death of people who are willing to release 1027 terrorists to get back just one solider to the death of people who are taught from kindergarten to kill and die for Allah. [1] Nobody criticizes Britain be…

Anyone who understands the difference between good and evil would fight against the Israeli fascists.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Agingcoder » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:25 AM UTC

jameshilliard wrote: post #726

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Is there any way to starve people deliberately, and win a media war ? I’m not sure this has anything to do with Muslim vs Jewish population sizes.

> Is there any way to starve people deliberately, and win a media war ? I guess by doing what Hamas does[0]? > I’m not sure this has anything to do with Muslim vs Jewish population sizes. Mostly it's just an issue of Muslims being largely supportive of the Palestinian cause for religious reasons and having much larger populations. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2dwn7q40o

This is disturbing. You seem to imply that there are legitimate reasons to starve an entire population, which is to me so repulsive that you’re not even allowed to consider entering that territory.Under that reading, once you’ve crossed that line, how can you actually win a media war ?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by incrudible » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:33 AM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #370

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Do you have something to counter the logical narrative or just an eye brow raise? If that's all you have to offer I'll raise you two eye brow raises.

I don't know what you mean by "logical" narrative. There is no logic here. Israel facilitates the entry of virtually all the food going into Gaza. They monitored the food prices and when they spiked, they took action, bringing them back down.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dotancohen » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:41 AM UTC

phgn wrote: post #397

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It's not, this conflict was started by Israel in 1948. The current genocide is just the most extreme phase of an ongoing, highly unequal, struggle since then. Hamas releasing hostages will not end the genocide. Look at how the last ceasefire was intentionally broken by Israel.

How did Israel start the war in 1948? As I understand it, the UN proposed a partition plan between the Jews and the Arabs. The Jews accepted and declared a state. The Arabs did not accept, and seven Arab nations invaded the new Jewish state.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ukblewis » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:45 AM UTC

How CNN, a supposedly reputable news source can quote Hamas-run (a recognised terror group in the US) Health Ministry’s number without even noting who runs the ministry or raising any doubt is ridiculous? More ridiculous, noting the prices of different goods in Gaza when the vast majority of those goods enter Gaza as free aid. So who is stealing it and extorting others? Hamas and other terror groups are ghosts in this article. It is time that the UN focus on delivering aid rather than blaming Israel. Gazans die when they both refuse IDF convoys to keep them safe and blame the IDF for not keeping them safe as the “occupying” power. If only the IDF had already won, then Gazans would eat like normal already

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by woooooo » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:46 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #809

BrenBarn wrote: post #709

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International law forbids a lot of things Israel already does. If it respected international law it would withdraw to its internationally recognized borders.

Israel's internationally recognized borders are the borders of Mandatory Palestine. The 1948 borders were ceasefire lines - the fact that they were not internationally recognized borders was for decades the justification for cross-border attacks.

Literally no country has ever recognized Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank or Gaza. Even Israel hasn't annexed them just yet.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ukblewis » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:52 AM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

Your metrics are yours alone. Ask Hamas if they won? If they stay in power in Gaza, trust me, they won. Same as if the Nazis were still in control of Germany, Stalin in charge of Russia, ISIS in charge of Iraq and Syria and the Khmer Rouge in charge of Cambodia…

Your suggestion that Israel stop fighting in contrast to Trump’s direct words stating that he will back Israel fully in defeating Hamas if Hamas does not accept his deal which involves them fully disarming, is essentially suggesting that Israel should accept defeat even when it has the backing of the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. Now either you are ignorant or you are intentionally malevolent in your suggestion… take your pick

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ukblewis » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:55 AM UTC

BrenBarn wrote: post #709

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International law forbids the occupying power to give voting rights to occupied regions. Its also a bit unclear what you mean by "unambiguously under Israeli control" since Palestinians in occupied palestinian territories aren't unambigiously under Israeli control, they had little control over the inside of Gaza until recently, and have some power in the west bank that is shared with the PA. Neither is "unambiguous c…

International law forbids a lot of things Israel already does. If it respected international law it would withdraw to its internationally recognized borders.

Let’s your country do that first. Lead by example