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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

nobunaga wrote: post #497
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many reasons to question Krebs’ tenure and not all of them have to do with ignoring the state of election security, The Disinformation regime, viewpoint discrimination, or election interference. There is a list of things

And what are they? Because unlike you, Chris has a very well known, positive, respected reputation in the industry. Instead of just making accusations, back them up.

I’m not doxxing myself.

However many of my issues with CISA are based on my own professional work in security, and that of accomplished professors like J Halderman & M Blaze saying our election infrastructure is insecure.

We’ve been saying the same thing in hackerdom for 30 years!

If my career has been completely about the security of federal & military systems, then some lawyer like Krebs saying our infrastructure is secure when it’s running Windows 7 is a giant slap in the face, particularly given all of the censorship.

You wanted evidence. Here goes:

The censorship & viewpoint discrimination pressure CISA was bringing to bear has been over the top.

At the same time Krebs was talking about how secure our election infrastructure was, prominent professors such as Matt Blaze & J Halderman that have researched election security said the opposite.

This historically has been a bipartisan& Aceademic issue with more Dems & Repubs & Academia supporting claims of insecurity.

Those of us in security are convinced that all this unpatched windows7 usage is crazy and Chris Krebs lying about election security isn’t being open and truthful with the American people.

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j...

- The Associated Press reported in 2019 on the use of vulnerable Windows 7 software in election systems, highlighting risks in swing states. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-u...

- NBC News revealed in 2020 that ES&S installed modems in voting machines, making them susceptible to hacking. [Note: The exact NBC News article from January 2020 titled "Voting Machines Vulnerable to Hacking Due to Modems" is not directly linked in the web results, but this matches the description in the thread. The full URL is not available in the provided web results, and I cannot search for it in real-time. You may need to look up the NBC News article from January 2020 for the precise link.]

- The Guardian exposed in 2015 that WinVote machines used weak passwords like "abcde," easily hackable from a distance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-vot...

- The New York Times reported in 2015 on a leaked database of 191 million voter records, raising concerns about phishing and identity theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-record...

- Wired noted in 2016 that many voting machines ran on outdated Windows XP, lacking security patches since 2014. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent...

- Politico detailed in 2016 how a voting machine was hacked in minutes by replacing ROM chips with malicious firmware. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-electio...

- CBS reported in 2016 that hackers demonstrated voting machine vulnerabilities, showing a $15 hack could alter votes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-...

- ABC News confirmed in 2016 that voting machines can be hacked, especially in close elections, with malware erasing itself post-attack. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia...

- The Atlantic warned in 2016 about electronic voting risks, citing a case where a machine was turned into a Pac-Man console. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/elect...

- FOX News covered a 2016 demonstration by a Princeton professor hacking a voting machine to shift votes undetected. https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001

- Fortune reported in 2016 that Cylance researchers hacked a Sequoia AVC Edge machine, altering vote counts via a memory card. https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstra...

- Vox highlighted in 2016 that voting machines on Windows XP and voter databases online were vulnerable to hacking. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 educed/hackers-election-day-voting-machines

- PBS noted in 2016 that five states used digital voting systems without paper trails, increasing hacking risks. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-migh...

- Slate reported in 2016 that 42 states used decade-old voting machines, prone to hacking and lacking paper trails. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-vot...

- PBS revealed in 2016 that Pennsylvania's paperless machines made it impossible to verify vote tampering. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-electi...

- Politico warned in 2016 that 15 states, including Pennsylvania, used electronic voting machines without paper trails. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-...

- Scientific American stated in 2017 that voting systems could be hacked by foreign powers, advocating for paper ballots. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system...

- Politico reported in 2017 on a Georgia election center's server misconfiguration, exposing voter data and passwords. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-...

- NPR cited a 2017 NSA report on Russian attempts to hack election systems, potentially targeting ballot programming. https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-...

- HuffPost noted in 2017 that 15 states used hackable touch-screen voting machines without paper trails.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_59...

- Senator Elizabeth Warren's 2019 article highlighted vulnerabilities like outdated voter databases and paperless machines. https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democrac...

- Senators Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan sent letters in 2019 to voting machine companies about security concerns. [Note: The direct link to the letters is not provided in the web results. These letters were sent to the private equity firms owning voting machine companies, as noted in the thread. You may need to search for "Warren Klobuchar Wyden Pocan voting machine letters 2019" to find the original source, possibly on a government or senator's website.]

- A 2019 compilation of media articles detailed election system vulnerabilities over four years post-2016 election.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-syste...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by earnestinger »

AlexGrothen wrote: post #757
earnestinger wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, they are the same. As in: people with power want to control the narrative. This was so, is so and will always be so, everywhere. But but but… details matter. A lot. The west has traditions how and when to apply power, which is distinctly different from Russia. I hand-pick two illustrations of Russia: 1. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/moscow-police-accu... > Officers “beat up Kamardin very badl…

>hand-picked cherry-picked, actually 1. Almost exactly the same incident happened in the USA, NYPD sodomized Michael Mineo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police... None of the NYPD officers didn't have any sentence for this 2. That's an old conspiracy theory, even the Russian opposition (at least the reasonable part of it) doesn't support this theory. There are plenty of publications about it…

> Russian opposition

Do you mean the guy who died relatively recently in Russian prison? Or his colleague who was part of prisoner exchange

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nikkwong »

janalsncm wrote: post #366
nikkwong wrote: post #351

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While this may be part of the story, it's certainly not the full picture. We know that the CCP is actively manipulating the algorithm on Tiktok to further their agenda on multiple other geopolitical issues—something we have ample evidence for. I don't know if there is a smoking gun on this one topic in particular, but the CCP's goal has always been to divide the American audience; and we know that older Americans ske…

> something we have ample evidence for Can you share some of that evidence? My impression from the SCOTUS case is that the government only alleged it could happen, not that it was happening. So I’m a bit surprised to see someone so confidently assert it is happening. > more likely than not find evidence of algorithm manipulation I think a lot of people have been looking. For years. Yet you admit there is no smoking g…

You don't have to look that hard—there have been several independent groups who have noted different ways in which the algorithm is skewed pro-CCP:

https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Report_-...

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/social-psychology/artic...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by int_19h »

NoOn3 wrote: post #688
uniqueuid wrote: post #50

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You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

If you are not constantly posting fake and not recieve money from foreign entities you are not being arested at all in Russia. You may get a fine, and that's not always the case.

"Fake" like calling the "special military operation" a war of aggression?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by wordofx »

dragonwriter wrote: post #628
wordofx wrote: post #627

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> Hamas has broken ever cease fire since they took power. Israel has broken every ceasefire, though US media tends to treat Israeli attacks as hiccups and challenges to ceasefires involving Israel and those on the other side as more serious. This is similar to the way that the same linguistic cause/effect separation (sometimes termed the “exonerative tense” or “exonerative mood”) frequently used to deflect responsibi…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by int_19h »

AlexGrothen wrote: post #757
earnestinger wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, they are the same. As in: people with power want to control the narrative. This was so, is so and will always be so, everywhere. But but but… details matter. A lot. The west has traditions how and when to apply power, which is distinctly different from Russia. I hand-pick two illustrations of Russia: 1. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/moscow-police-accu... > Officers “beat up Kamardin very badl…

>hand-picked cherry-picked, actually 1. Almost exactly the same incident happened in the USA, NYPD sodomized Michael Mineo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police... None of the NYPD officers didn't have any sentence for this 2. That's an old conspiracy theory, even the Russian opposition (at least the reasonable part of it) doesn't support this theory. There are plenty of publications about it…

Most of Russian opposition does support this theory. Many people do, in general. It's hard to call it a conspiracy theory when they literally caught a couple of FSB guys loading bags of explosives into an apartment building. The official version is that this was a "security training", but c'mon.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by int_19h »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #715
gryzzly wrote: post #710

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not wearing uniform, attacking civilians, capturing hostages and holding your own civilian population hostage by violently taking over the commercial distribution of free humanitarian aid can not be called legitimate in any way

You're right, Hamas should focus on uniform production(they wear uniform bandanas BTW, watch their videos) while Gaza has a higher proportion of destroyed buildings than Germany in ww2. You certainly got your priorities straight.

Not massacring civilians by the hundreds would be a good start.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by edanm »

KingMob wrote: post #675
iddan wrote: post #566

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Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.

FYI, I'm Jewish, with Israeli friends, and kibbutznik family on my great-grandaunt's side. Israelis like you tell themselves this, but you don't speak for the diaspora. I personally feel that Israel makes the rest of us less safe, not more.

I highly recommend watching Haviv Rettig Gur's talk about the differences between the Jews of the diaspora (he's mostly talking about the US), and Israeli Jews. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKoUC0m1U9E)

To sum up a long and fascinating lecture, he makes the case that the Jews of the US diaspora are the few Jews who managed to find a country that actually took them in and treated them as equals, which is almost a complete aberration.

Whereas Israeli Jews are largely the descendants of the survivors of the Holocaust- those Jews who learned the hard way that much of the world wanted to kill them, and that they couldn't trust any country to take them in.

Israel's population was largely made up, in terms of numbers, of people either fleeing the Holocaust, or Holocaust survivors who were displaced persons and literally had no other place to go - no country wanted them.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ang_cire »

edanm wrote: post #623
ang_cire wrote: post #554

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> it can be effectively impossible for the accused to prove their innocence Except in this case, the accused are the ones who have all the logs, all the records, all the database entries, etc. They are in fact in possession of the complete and perfect means to prove or disprove these allegations, and their choice not to use this data to defend themselves (i.e. by not showing that the posts were in fact harmful or inc…

First, there are two parties here that could prove something. Meta itself, or the Israeli government. Second, you write: > [...] their choice not to use this data to defend themselves (i.e. by not showing that the posts were in fact harmful or inciting violence, etc) lends credence to the allegations. This article is from yesterday. I don't think it's fair to call not responding a "choice", surely you would expect it…

> This article is from yesterday.

The accusation that Palestinian voices were suppressed by social media companies has been being made for years. It's not a new revelation.

> or the Israeli government

Israel is the originator of the requests, not the one who is being accused of improperly complying (Meta), so why would they help or respond at all?

> it's possible that some of the material is things that cannot be publicized

Even the kinds of images you describe can be shown censored, in order to show the content being present without revealing sensitive material.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nashashmi »

reissbaker wrote: post #729
michaelsshaw wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1948

Interesting! And in this supposed 77 year long genocide, did the population size of Palestinians decrease?

That’s a terrible argument. Palestinians have fled. Nakba happened. Refugees increased. So did the population go down? yes. The population shifted to safer places. And then they are getting bombed there too.
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