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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by redwall_hp »

sodality2 wrote: post #802
privacyking wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise that already happens though? If you read apple's privacy policy they send a lot of what you do to their servers. Furthermore how private do you think Siri is? Their privacy policy explicitly states they send transcripts of what you say to them. That cannot be disabled.

> Furthermore how private do you think Siri is? Their privacy policy explicitly states they send transcripts of what you say to them. That cannot be disabled. Ten minutes ago i set up a new Apple device and it not only asked me if I wanted to enable Siri, but whether I wanted to contribute audio clips to improve it. What, exactly, cannot be disabled?

You can trivially find it in the Settings app after setup, too: Privacy & Security -> Analytics & Improvements -> scroll to the Improve Siri & Dictation toggle that explains that it controls whether Apple can store and review audio of interactions with Siri and the dictation function. Plenty of other options to review in the vicinity too, since the first party privacy settings are basically all in the same place.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tonynator »

doctoboggan wrote: post #44

Apple trying to rebrand AI = "Apple Intelligence" is a totally Apple thing to do. I'll be curious to see if Apple gets caught with some surprise or scandal from unexpected behavior in their generative models. I expect that the rollout will be smoother than Bing or Google's first attempts, but I don't think even Apple will prove capable of identifying and mitigating all possible edge cases. I noticed during the livest…

It's good enough for the typical Apple consumer.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by axoltl »

jeroenhd wrote: post #476
Terretta wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see no real difference between 2 and 3. This #2, so-called "Private Cloud Compute", is not the same as iCloud. And certainly not the same as sending queries to OpenAI. Quoting: “With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests. These models run on servers powered by Apple silicon, providing a foundation t…

"We make the hardware and we pinky promise that we will protect your data and will open source part of it" means nothing for privacy. Especially when things like warrants come into play.

How would a warrant work in this case? Using Silicon Data Protection[0] the hash of the currently running firmware (of both the AP _and_ the SEP) is locked into hardware registers in the PKA engine used by the SEP. This hash perturbs the key derivation, and the PKA engine can also attest to the running firmware hash(es) by using an EC key only available to it (they call this BAA, Basic Attestation Authority).

iOS won't send any data to a PCC that isn't running a firmware that's been made public in their transparency logs and compute nodes have no way to be debugged in a way that exposes user data[1]

And at the end of the day, this is going to give the warrant holder a handful of requests from a specific user? Why wouldn't they use that same warrant to get onto the target's device directly and get that same data plus a ton more?

0: https://help.apple.com/pdf/security/en_US/apple-platform-sec... 1: https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by foreverobama »

asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by uhtred »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

The willingness you seem to have to sacrifice all your privacy for a few gimmicks is astounding

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by teh_infallible »

richardw wrote: post #600
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

I’ve been waiting for Apple to arrive. They bring so much polish and taste. Two features I really want: “Position the cursor at the beginning of the word ‘usability’” “Stop auto suggesting that word. I never use it, ever”

Apple auto suggest can be ducking annoying

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kcplate »

paganel wrote: post #547
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. No-one is hitting anything out of the park, this is just Apple the company realising that they're falling behind and trying to desperately attach themselves to the AI train. Doesn't matter if in so doing they're validating a company run by basically a swindler (I'm talking about the current OpenAI and Sam Altman), the Apple shareholders must be kept h…

> No-one is hitting anything out of the park

I kind of feel like their walled garden and ecosystem might just have created the perfect environment for an AI integrated directly to the platform to be really useful.

I’m encouraged, but I am already a fan of the ecosystem…

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by TexanFeller »

skilled wrote: post #564
markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I wonder if Apple ever approached Google about using Gemini as the flagship integration. I say that because during the keynote I kept thinking to myself, this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search - and all they have to do is sit back and watch the hype fade away. But that’s in a perfect world. Even to this day, post ChatGPT, I still can’t imagine how I would ever u…

> this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search

In my mind Google is now a second class search like Bing. Kagi has savagely pwned Google.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Nition »

cchance wrote: post #741
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

LOL that image you painstakingly created is also forgotten not long after being given to most people, just because you know the effort that went in doesn't mean the receiving person does 99.9% of the time. Same thing for your kid, the kid likes both stories, gives 0 shit that you used GenAI or sat up for 8 hours trying to figure out the rhyme, those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it.

I don't truly agree with your take here, but let's assume you are correct and creating real things in your life only benefits you and no-one else. If you create a painting or story or piece of furniture, others prefer the more professional AI or mass-produced version.

In that scenario certainly there'll be times when using the AI option will make more sense, since you usually don't have hours to spare, and you also want to make the stories that your kid likes the most, which in this scenario are the AI ones.

But even then there's still that benefit to yourself from spending time on creating things, and I'd encourage anyone to have a hobby where they get to make something just because they feel like it. Even if it's just for you. It's nice to have an outlet to express yourself.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by luigi23 »

hbn wrote: post #677
elAhmo wrote: post #637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am quite disappointed that 14 pro is not supported. So much power, but they decided to not support any of the older chips.

The 15 Pro's SoC has an extra 2GB of RAM which could very well be make-or-break for running a local model which tends to be very memory-constrained

it's about 15 having 2x more powerful neural engine
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