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Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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I'm optimistic from a nihilistic point of view: for Twitter the only way is up, and yet even a complete failure would be a net improvement to the world. There's a laundry list of uncontroversial improvements he can make to the product itself. Twitter as a product is broken in so many ways. Musk is the kind of outcome-driven character to get things done. And it will be done in a way that does not directly conflict wit…

What's funny is that the people who are threatening to leave for other platforms don't understand what an enormous amount of engineering effort it is to build AI at scale to control wrongthink. They think it's something that the platform owner turns up and down like a thermostat.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#823
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He's already said that he'd follow all local laws so it would be interesting to see if he can find the elusive path of maintaining free speech, following the law and not having Twitter being a toxic cesspool used mainly to shout down those not our your "side". Personally my reservations are because I think running a social media site is a lot about understanding people and defining a healthy culture for your elusive…

> interesting to see if he can find the elusive path of maintaining free speech I am also utterly gobsmacked how people here jump to the defense of billionaires. > Taking a moment to think about how utterly crazy it is that in 2022 a company with a significant dataset of private and public communications, that has municipalities, companies and governments on the platform, can switch ownership with pretty much zero sc…

I'm also utterly gobsmacked how people here think "jump to the defense of billionaires" is in any way a substantive counter-argument.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #41

He's already said that he'd follow all local laws so it would be interesting to see if he can find the elusive path of maintaining free speech, following the law and not having Twitter being a toxic cesspool used mainly to shout down those not our your "side". Personally my reservations are because I think running a social media site is a lot about understanding people and defining a healthy culture for your elusive…

Let's be absolutely clear, Musk does not care about your free speech. He has a history of shutting down speech he doesn't like and will continue to do so.

He is basically Thiel with even more "fuck you" money, and now he owns a huge megaphone that approaches the size of his ego.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#825
One example of Twitter's obvious role in election meddling is this: before 2020 elections, posting new york post's article on Hunter Biden's laptop leaks would result in an error. At the time all the msm said this was fake news. The New York Times, more than a year later accepted that the laptop indeed belonged to Hunter Biden. Twitter is heavily biased towards promoting progressive 'ideals' and hollywood propaganda. It's trending section, even after muting and blocking several accounts and words, keeps suggesting biased 'news'. It also played a huge role in the Arab Springs which arguably is the largest criminal act in 12 years. I'm glad censorship is being taken seriously. Hope Musk is a true libertarian when it comes to free speech.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #708

I'm optimistic from a nihilistic point of view: for Twitter the only way is up, and yet even a complete failure would be a net improvement to the world. There's a laundry list of uncontroversial improvements he can make to the product itself. Twitter as a product is broken in so many ways. Musk is the kind of outcome-driven character to get things done. And it will be done in a way that does not directly conflict wit…

This, in a nutshell, is the ivory tower conversation silicon valley liberals have been having with themselves for the past few years to justify their ever-creeping censorship. 90% of the people on the site should not have been banned in the first place. Obviously the overwhelming majority of people having this conversation at these companies are liberal and it just happens to turn out that everyone who needs to be banned is a conservative, and we’ll throw in a few people like Farrakhan who give the democrats bad optics.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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People act like this is some spiteful thing he's doing in order to just post edgy memes or have a 'private' social media for himself. Twitter, despite being a toxic place the majority of people avoid, brought in over 5 billion dollars last year. If elon removes bots, welcomes non-extremists back on, gets comedians and entertaining accounts back on board and lets people say what they want instead a bot army of shills…

And what is the chance that Twitter's refusal to ban someone in future will cause Musk to get "cancelled"?

I don't think you have seen the power of cancel culture. Once, X number of celebrities decide that Y needs to be cancelled, the pressure is enormous on all businesses and their CEOs to join the cancel parade. It's literally you are with us or against us. In fact, these cancel culture torch bearers will now use Twitter itself to put pressure on subscribers and advertizers.

Just imagine Trump coming back, posting something very controversial and all celebreties up in arm against Musk to ban him again. At that moment, it is no-win scenario (I call it getting "Zucked"). If you ban him, republicans paints target on you. If you don't then dems do that job. Musk has companies that require belovancy from government and it is not really hard to put him at enormous disadvantage.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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Ways I think Twitter could immediately improve, from the perspective of users: - Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol. Offer "real person" twitter filter. - Transparent and consistent moderation policies. Bans are inconsistently applied for reasons that are often hard to figure out. - Return to a reverse chronological time and/or down selection of rage-ba…

> Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol Those are not mutually exclusive. I may be interested to know that @emmanuelmacron and @emmanuel_macron are both real persons but I’d also want to know that @emmanuelmacron is the famous one while the other is just an homonyme. Blue Check symbols are also a lot useful to distinguish real brand accounts from fake ones…

I mean that ambiguity does exist currently (see https://twitter.com/willsmith) but would certainly get worse. And it would be way too easy to get a verified account and then just change a few things to look like some famous person

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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After 16 years I still struggle to concede the value proposition of Twitter. I don't think it's the best platform for advancing democracy, and I'm convinced we should aim higher.

Take a cue from StackOverflow, which does a better job surfacing quality content while letting drivel sift to the bottom. It has an incentive system where those who demonstrate expertise build up reputation over time (instead of a simple popularity contest won by the loudest voices). Even here on HN the culture nurtures a forum that holds more interest for me than Twitter.

I know politics is a different game, but I think the internet's still barely scratched the surface when it comes to transforming democracy. There's so much runway remaining to elevate constituent engagement without the toxicity. When I see examples like municipalities using apps to let citizens photograph and report potholes it gives me hope. The internet is powerful at enabling people who care about a given set of issues to congregate in convenience and without limits of geography. We can figure out how to do it more constructively.

I envision a more issues-centric platform, a kind of one-stop you can visit to get a concise picture of the best-informed discussion around hot topics of the day (or archives of the past). With elements from Wikipedia, and the ability (and allure) to dive deeper where you're interested. Integrate fact-checking efforts (something like Snopes / PolitiFact) to encourage authenticity. Maybe you could even plug in a feedback loop where local officials can open polls and allow granular voting on matters within their jurisdiction (borrow ideas from Change.org) or facilitate grassroots organization ("garbage cleanup at the park today swing down if you can").

Democracy could never exist without the invention of mass media. Historically that's been a one-way street. The internet upgraded the pipe to an instant, two-way connection to almost every citizen. Yet we've stuck to the same old pattern (figures with lots of followers using it to broadcast their message) with a bit of incremental evolution (interesting or provocative replies can get upvoted). But that's just baby steps. The internet has transformed nearly every other industry, is even transforming banking and finance, and I believe the way we run our civil institutions is up next.

Just like invention of mass-media enabled democracy, the internet is about to facilitate the evolution of some kind of Democracy 2.0. I for one want to see that nurtured into something amazing and special.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #4

For all the Free Speech posturing Musk has put out around twitter, it will be very interesting to see if @ElonsJet account gets banned.

Also, why offer the original creator $50k to remove the bot? If it gets removed, other developers will obviously create other ones - it's a public API, after all.
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