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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

> insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021.

So life insurance companies are requiring COVID vaccines? Or health insurance companies, or both?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by CabSauce »

vikingerik wrote: post #801
CabSauce wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that we vote for our government representatives, right? The 'government' is us.

We didn't vote for this. OSHA isn't elected at all.

OSHA is in the executive branch, under the president, who we voted for.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by gilbetron »

zerocount wrote: post #274
steverb wrote: post #247

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I predict that by December of 2021 enough people will have gotten the vaccine or have had COVID that the hospitalization numbers will drop precipitously and then we can all go back to a normal life. The OSHA requirement will hang around, but people won't be freaking out about it because it will be normal. Within two years there will be a childhood COVID vaccine that is safe and effective and it will be required for s…

The big problem is they still want people who've recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. This is a very big deal and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OSHA plan goes to the Supreme Court. I've recovered from COVID and stand against vaccine mandates.

I agree with this part - if you can show you have antibodies, I don't care where you got them from (well, I would have preferred they were gotten from a vaccine, but that's besides the point now!).

My only stipulation is that if you say you had it, you need to have an antibody test to prove it, and if the test is negative, you need a vaccine.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by quickthrowman »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #50
dmitrygr wrote: post #3

> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

My concern is why OSHA has not issued emergency mandatory ventilation and air circulation orders, since that's actually within their wheelhouse vs this extension into medical demands which until now had been limited strongly to vague recommendations and couched in informed consent language (e.g. Hepatitis awareness)

Because that requires tremendous capital and labor costs, overhauling HVAC in every private and public building would take years, there aren’t enough electricians and tinners/pipefitters. HVAC equipment is also very expensive and most public institutions have already budgeted for capital costs. Who will pay for it all?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by kbos87 »

ctrlp wrote: post #321
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267

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We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then? You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself.…

I value liberty, but I also recognize that there are situations where action (and when needed, mandates) for the good of the collective outweigh individual liberties.

Unless you choose to live in the woods disconnected from everything and everyone, you are directly benefitting from the modern and civilized society we live in. If you want to continue participating in and benefitting from it, you'll need to cooperate from time to time. The government is giving you an easy out here - don't want the vaccine? Don't participate in a specific portion of societal life (working at a company with 100+ employees.) It's pretty simple.

Any argument that getting a free vaccine is even a sacrifice is a slap in the face of anyone who has died of a communicable disease or can't access a vaccine today.

I also can't help but recognize that the people who are always railing about any perceived loss of liberty do so very selectively. What have you done, and where have you spoken out about abortion rights being trampled on in Texas? Not saying that you can't choose your issues like everyone else does, but don't pretend that you are defending "liberty".

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by spookthesunset »

silentmajthrw54 wrote: post #35
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #15

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Sadly, there won't be nearly enough who feel as you do. But I wholeheartedly applaud your statement!

Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.

> I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.

Join the club. You really do need to start speaking out though. This shit has gone on long enough. The idea that it is impossible well intentioned, well reasoned person to object to any part of our current situation is complete rubbish. We are being gaslit and bullied and quite honestly I'm tired of it.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by spookthesunset »

colinmhayes wrote: post #437
dmitrygr wrote: post #44

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Same. My vaccination status is my own damn business. I am prepared to be fired over this, if needed.

except it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated.

> except it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated.

Not if they are vaccinated. I don't understand why vaccinated people give a hoot about the vaccination status of others. Vaccinations protect them from severe covid issues.

Everybody is gonna get covid. We knew this all the way back in march of 2020.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by spookthesunset »

kbos87 wrote: post #731
Hunter235711 wrote: post #687

I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: ( https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex... ) there have been 3,043 covid deaths in the 18-29 year range out of 103,738 total deaths in that same age range. I'm 29 and in good health. I know I'm much more likely to die from activities I enjoy like rock climbing, farm work, skydiving, driving my car, but…

There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin. The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects death, not the serious illness and disability ~30% of people end up with. Yes, vaccinated individuals can spread COVID, but this is dramatically less likely if you are vaccinated. You assume you’ll be less likely to spread delta because you’ll quarantine, but you i…

Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. Covid spread doesn't matter. It's here forever. Not going away.

If you get your shot, you are done. Stop worrying about the vaccination status or mask-wearing status of others. You are gonna get covid either way. But at least you won't have a chance of being hospitalized or dying.

Covid is here forever. We need to switch our messaging to learning to live with that and moving on with our lives. All this crap does is keep everybody living in fear and dividing us even more. End it!

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by xur17 »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #811
kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

There seems to be consensus that the delta wave won't end until the US reaches at least 85% herd immunity (either through vaccination or infection). It's clear from polling that there is a large enough minority of American adults who won't take the vaccine voluntarily (under any circumstances) to achieve this level of immunity, so that leaves infection. Letting covid 'rip' through the remaining unvaccinated populatio…

I'm curious - of the folks that have not gotten vaccinated, do we have an idea of how many haven't gotten it because they strongly do not want to get it, and how many haven't gotten it for other less strong reasons (inability to get time off work, mixed signals from social media, etc)?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by halfjoking »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #692
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Influenza is not shutting down the country and making us miserable. It's a much less disruptive disease. Just because you don't want to get a jab doesn't mean society should shut down for you. That's why this should be done through employers and other methods requiring you not participate if you won't participate in something to help society. If you don't want to get a jab don't work for them. Easy choice. Start your…

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

After I lose my job I plan to be a company of 1 working on my SaaS or doing contract work... but I'm not confident that restrictions won't get harsher the more that people get vaxxed. The vaccines will work less and less, and the unvaxxed will be blamed more and more, leading to them being treated as criminals.

At what point does the US government freeze my bank account? At 95%? 98% vaccinated? I'm planning to leave the country before then.

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