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For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by eyelidlessness »

sidlls wrote: post #814
eyelidlessness wrote: post #802

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> No, this is an extraordinary claim without evidence that you are asserting. There are libraries worth of literature on the subject. I encourage you to spend some time seeking it out and understanding it better. > isn't carefully worded, and it's designed to effectively squash any sort of disagreement with the assertion in the first place. It was carefully worded, but you don't seem to be interested in coming to the…

Have you considered that you are making assumptions (e.g. that I have not done reading on this subject) or that you are making personal accusations (e.g. that I may not recognize advantages) based also on assumptions? That perhaps my interest isn’t in fighting but merely challenging your assertion and assumptions? It appears to me you take the position that you are correct, and that any challenge is necessarily one c…

> Have you considered that you are making assumptions

Always, and always open to reconsidering my position or approach.

> (e.g. that I have not done reading on this subject)

You're not demonstrating familiarity with the subject. Your questions have come from a perspective that is addressed in the subject matter.

> or that you are making personal accusations (e.g. that I may not recognize advantages)

That wasn't an accusation. It was a fig leaf. Your positions have rejected your advantages as a white person. "You're off the mark. Way off."

> That perhaps my interest isn’t in fighting but merely challenging your assertion and assumptions?

Your interest increasingly seems to be defensive.

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> I invite you to re-think your approach to this sort of conversation.

Thank you, but no thank you. You don't seem to be interested in actually discussing the topic, or reconsidering your own positions. I'm 99% certain that I won't make any headway with you regardless of my approach.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by sfj »

darth_avocado wrote: post #785
sfj wrote: post #336

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Did you ever think it might be the way you dress or your demeanor? Obviously, it could be racial also, but how could you know that?

Ahh yes, the good ol' "how you dress", "how you carry yourself", "your personal hygiene", "how you talk" or one of the other hundred responses I get from people immediately when I talk about the unfair treatment I've seen in my life. All I can say is no it has nothing to do with how I dress, because half of those "random checks" were during my business trips when I worked for a major consulting firm. So I doubt my su…

You might be suffering from confirmation bias. You have a forgone conclusion (it's all due to racism), so you see racism everywhere.

It's just really farfetched that all black people are being frisked at airports as much as you are, simply because they're black.

Maybe it could be your face matches some known terrorist or something. Or maybe you're flying out of the same airport a lot and the staff has it out for you for some reason. Who knows?

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by darth_avocado »

sfj wrote: post #822
darth_avocado wrote: post #785

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Ahh yes, the good ol' "how you dress", "how you carry yourself", "your personal hygiene", "how you talk" or one of the other hundred responses I get from people immediately when I talk about the unfair treatment I've seen in my life. All I can say is no it has nothing to do with how I dress, because half of those "random checks" were during my business trips when I worked for a major consulting firm. So I doubt my su…

You might be suffering from confirmation bias. You have a forgone conclusion (it's all due to racism), so you see racism everywhere. It's just really farfetched that all black people are being frisked at airports as much as you are, simply because they're black. Maybe it could be your face matches some known terrorist or something. Or maybe you're flying out of the same airport a lot and the staff has it out for you…

I feel based on your arguments, it is you who has more of a confirmation bias. In your opinion, the probability of my face matching a terrorist or that the airport staff has it out for me is higher than a simple "people can be racist". You are just convinced that people just cry racism for no reason.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by taurath »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #812
taurath wrote: post #736

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I couldn't find one for drugs specifically, but this link is a decent one: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2018/02/the-race-g... The probability of being jailed for more than a year is over 20% for the poorest 20% of Blacks, and just over 10% for the poorest 20% of whites.

From that link: >He concludes, “[T]hese disparities are primarily driven by our racialized class system. Therefore, the most effective criminal justice reform may be an egalitarian economic program aimed at flattening the material differences between the classes.” In other words, while building a more progressive economy won’t end the horrors of racism, it may be the pathway to a less discriminatory criminal justice…

I don't think I'm disagreeing here. Economic justice would go a long way. Still though, for the time being a black person is absolutely going to be profiled and have more police contact, and even if they have a lot of money. People don't stop doing that overnight. Its a cultural thing.

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Post by forgot_user1234 »

dang wrote: post #731
forgot_user1234 wrote: post #552

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I haven't heard about this incident BUT it still doesn't shows why there are so many indian CEOs. I really doubt that it's the norm. Look at the numbers not the anecdotes. There are disproportionate number of Indian CEOs. It would have been impossible with racism and what not.

That's a non sequitur and flamebait. Please don't post like that to HN. It's only going to lead to worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Hey Dang,

In guidelines it says "have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents"

tbh, I am really curious about the situation.

Why do Indian-Americans have a disproportionate numbers of High paying jobs i.e founders, CEO, CTO etc?

Why do indian-americans have a median salary of 120k?

What are they doing right?

I could have framed it in a better way but the question still stands.

Thanks!

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Post by blub »

taurath wrote: post #767
blub wrote: post #585

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You said "most of it is showing white people that all the things that we've tried over the past 10, 20 years are clearly not working. There's little improvement in inclusiveness in traditional white/male dominated cultures, such as the engineering teams at FAANGs for instance." The US is an immigration society where many white people from countries which weren't involved in US slavery and now they're all painted with…

We as Americans live in a society were responsible for. We as managers, owners and employees are responsible for the culture of the companies we own. A Russian who moved here in 1998 certainly didn’t have anything to do with racism. But he is participating in a society that claims to be a just one, in which he will get preferential treatment over a Black person just because the color of his skin. Is that his fault? N…

The US has a deeply unjust society and with with the exception of some periods after WWII always has had. The US does not have any moral authority to tell other countries or people how they should deal with racism and very limited moral authority in general in the past years of the Trump presidency.

Other countries and people need not and should not accept sharing the blame for US sins against black people.

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Post by jlawson »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #471
jlawson wrote: post #457

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The diversity industry is worth $8 billion per year these days. So... yeah. (Also FYI, it's not about opposing institutional bias, it's about signaling and corporate power games.)

Where’d you get this number? First time hearing about it.

Chapo Trap House episode about the White Fragility book.
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