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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jcims »

giardini wrote: post #819
jascii wrote: post #788

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I am well aware of the benefits of visualisation which is why this is so disturbing. Driving a car into a crowd is not self-defense, it is mass homicide and mentally training yourself to make that a "valid option" can be extremely dangerous.

jcims clearly stated>"I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows , i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight." jcims didn't say that he would be "Driving a car into a crowd..." as you state. Clearly, if rioters begin beating a car and breaking windows the driver has the option of surviving by driving to preserve life, limb and property. jascii says> "mentally training yourself to make t…

I've given up lol. Strawmen make good tinder...i feel like i'm being trolled.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by lostmsu »

klyrs wrote: post #757
lostmsu wrote: post #406

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> Sure. Call it resolved. That does not mean that it didn't happen the way that it's being described. I am not arguing if the events are misstated. I will continue calling it resolved, as crew took the apology and does not seem to want anything else. So why bring it up again? > This is a really weird point to get hung up on, given that the title of the original article is "U.S. police have attacked journalists more t…

https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/police-shove-make-ap-j...

From that article it is very clear police wanted everyone off, and the reporters thought they needed special treatment.

Police did not single them out because they are reporters.

Legality I am unaware, but why would you assume police knew that matter worse than the reporters?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by aspenmayer »

jariel wrote: post #820
aspenmayer wrote: post #689

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White supremacists are actively trying to fly under the radar in open-carry protests right now.[1] There’s a lot of weird noise in that area online and off. So just because white supremacists and their sympathizers get to protest, that doesn’t mean other people get to protest? Sounds like separate but equal to me.[2] Not for me or mine. This was your hypothetical, but it’s actually reality. Protest is protest. It’s f…

" It’s for the whole society to decide what are valid forms of it, at every level." That's just lawlessness. There's not way to make up the rules as we go along, using the 'winds of the day' and what's happening on the news to determine what's a legit protest and what is not. We do decide collectively what's what by using laws and policies. We make those, we make them clear, and then we apply them. It seems as though…

As I said before, that is not backed up by Supreme Court precedent. You need to cite your claims as to constitutionally-protected protests being synonymous with lawlessness. As I read the Constitution, any act determined to be protest by the courts is legal until found otherwise. Police decisions about lawlessness are only valid in a law-enforcement context, and such police determinations are only provisional, and are not exclusively binding; they can be superseded by higher authorities in the executive branch, and challenged by the public, legislature, and judiciary, on legal grounds as well as humanitarian grounds.

You haven’t responded to my legal arguments and justifications. You are moving the goalposts and doubling down. Please keep on point or I will not have any substantial points to respond to.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by devin »

aspenmayer wrote: post #752
grupthink wrote: post #741

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Singing Kumbaya would fix nothing, just like looting fixes nothing - don’t strawman me. I’ve yet to see any justification for the theft and vandalism. If you believe police brutality is a systemic problem in the government, might I suggest you fix the problem in that arena instead of on the streets? If you feel compelled to protest, maybe do it in a manner that actually communicates your demands. The person who kille…

Looting proves that protest is amorphous, not black and white, and protest will autonomously raise the stakes when the risks associated with mass public social action is considered low, or the frequency between social progress payouts is too high, or the demand for social progress reaches a tipping point.

You should state this in a simpler way. As it reads, it sounds like absolute trash, but I get what you're trying to say.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by gremlinsinc »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #639
jascii wrote: post #380

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I have never in my life seen an ambulance be stopped by a protest, nor have ever heard of such an incident ever occuring.

There are a lot of people out there who have important things that have to do with their health. Just because someone is not in an ambulance doesn't mean they don't have somewhere important to be. Not everyone with a medical condition rides in an ambulance.

yeah like the pregnant lady who police shot tear gas into their car twice, even after the husband shouted STOP STOP my wife is pregnant! https://twitter.com/i/status/1267176238960922624

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by LadyCailin »

jariel wrote: post #584
baseballdork wrote: post #524

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> I would like to invite anyone to define exactly under what conditions people think they have the right to stop traffic at major intersections for hours on end, other than of course signalling to the city beforehand. When peaceful protests have failed to affect change and police brutality (especially for POC) is continuing unabated.

I'll respond to this comment here on behalf of all of the responses to my point: None of you have provided any reasonably objective definition of what could constitute an otherwise illegal, and sometimes violent protest. These responses sound a lot like right-wing NRA 2cnd Amendment people barricading in buildings with guns and police surrounding them kind of rhetoric. All three of the responses (at the time of my re…

I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on the American Revolution.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by giardini »

jcims wrote: post #821
giardini wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

jcims clearly stated>"I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows , i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight." jcims didn't say that he would be "Driving a car into a crowd..." as you state. Clearly, if rioters begin beating a car and breaking windows the driver has the option of surviving by driving to preserve life, limb and property. jascii says> "mentally training yourself to make t…

I've given up lol. Strawmen make good tinder...i feel like i'm being trolled.

FWIW You're not being trolled by me. Good initial post - glad you brought the topic to the fore.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by aspenmayer »

devin wrote: post #824
aspenmayer wrote: post #752

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looting proves that protest is amorphous, not black and white, and protest will autonomously raise the stakes when the risks associated with mass public social action is considered low, or the frequency between social progress payouts is too high, or the demand for social progress reaches a tipping point.

You should state this in a simpler way. As it reads, it sounds like absolute trash, but I get what you're trying to say.

I have seen your comments in this thread and trust you to reword it in a less convoluted way if you choose. I agree that my syntactic construction was rather tortured.

My main point is protest is what protest does: force the issue. The methods of protest are varied and of disproportionate impact to society. If protest is to succeed, social impact must be calibrated to the received response to protester demands. If no response or negative response is received, increase social impact to belligerent parties and the general public, if necessary. Protest without corresponding social impact is ineffectual at forcing the issue but can be effective in virtue-signaling, which can create a virtuous loop of increasing awareness and support, and increasing numbers of protesters.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

stonogo wrote: post #219
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #214

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"numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves" I don't believe you. The umbrella guy breaking the AutoZone window with a hammer has no connection to any police department. Someone made that up on social media and people shared it because that's what people do. The only video I know of showing officers breaking a window is out of Seattle. It shows officers responding to a burglary in progress at a Target st…

Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

"numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves"

I replied "I don't believe you."

You responded by showing one video. I'm still waiting.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jascii »

jcims wrote: post #821
giardini wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

jcims clearly stated>"I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows , i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight." jcims didn't say that he would be "Driving a car into a crowd..." as you state. Clearly, if rioters begin beating a car and breaking windows the driver has the option of surviving by driving to preserve life, limb and property. jascii says> "mentally training yourself to make t…

I've given up lol. Strawmen make good tinder...i feel like i'm being trolled.

I'm sorry if I made you feel like you were being trolled, that was certainly not my intention. I got triggered by the phrase: "i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight" which seemed indiscriminate and excessive to me.
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