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Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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See also: Trump's victory and Democratic claims of "150,000,000 killed by gun violence!"

Not sure what you are trying to claim about either event?

That fear-based rhetoric is very widely and successfully used by the most authoritarian politicians, and that it's not limited to China.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. This is especially true if we often find ourselves disbelieved or shown to be wrong on a regular basis, because it creates a justification for being marginalised. Ok those people might be clever, but I know things they don't so I'm still special. As a result people will consciously seek out unlikely connections or speculative…

This is not a special knowledge. Just Google it: Vector, Koltsevo, 16.09.2019. Moreover, even if outbreak will be traced back to Koltsevo (because it's only one bio-laboratory which had this virus), explosion will be used as excuse.

The news was an explosion, there is no evidence any strain had escaped because of it. That's you filling in details with no proof, ie. conspiracy.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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> There was an explosion at a virology lab Why are conspiracy theories so irresistible to so many people?

The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. This is especially true if we often find ourselves disbelieved or shown to be wrong on a regular basis, because it creates a justification for being marginalised. Ok those people might be clever, but I know things they don't so I'm still special. As a result people will consciously seek out unlikely connections or speculative…

> The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling.

There's also evidence that people with lower levels of schooling particularly like conspiracy because it allows them to make sense of a chaotic world. Instead of feeling powerless and hopeless, they have a truth not even the smart and powerful have.

It is of course not true, but therein lies the appeal.

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It's a really fundamental tradition of french society, going back to the revolution (or even before) that you can think how you like. If you dislike this foundational principle, then you cannot say you like French society 'how it is'. You are in effect saying you would like to change probably its most fundamental rule. I don't know if you're using this argument to convince the 'normies', and actually you don't like b…

>It's a really fundamental tradition of french society, going back to the revolution (or even before) that you can think how you like. That doesn't mean you have to want people who happen to think very differently to come in. You can like the fact that people in your country are free to think how they like, and also like the fact that most of them happen to like to think certain ways. >people with unwarranted self-re…

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Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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>It's a really fundamental tradition of french society, going back to the revolution (or even before) that you can think how you like. That doesn't mean you have to want people who happen to think very differently to come in. You can like the fact that people in your country are free to think how they like, and also like the fact that most of them happen to like to think certain ways. >people with unwarranted self-re…

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Perhaps you should consider that it does make sense, and you simply don't want to understand it. I don't think you're intellectually incapable of understanding it.

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Personally, I'd prefer such comments not to be made in a euphemistic way and just speak plainly. If you have concerns (valid or not) with immigrants not following the native culture and social norms then say that.

Which method do you think is less likely to result in flags / bans on message boards these days?

Well, looking at this sub-thread, I've just watched you keep your cool while pasabagi throws insults at you. So I would hope their behaviour would be more likely to result in bans.

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Watch some of the videos on Twitter and it is easy to understand why those words were used.

You can make this claim about any group, minority or not. Every single group of people has bad apples and some groups are even 51%+ bad but trying to use anecdotal evidence from twitter as proof is really not great. Additionally using epithets and dehumanization of any group no matter what they've done is a road to more hate and violence and will never resolve anything. I find it pretty ironic that some on the left a…

my brother is a pig and he has no problem being called that. He is also suffering from depression because 9/10 of his colleagues are literal Nazis in a uniform and openly admit that they vote far-right (in my place that is the people who still use the Nazi salute until today). They not only hate just foreigners but are constantly abusing their power.

The other pigs I met were happy to take bribes and one (in Ireland) even bragged about how much he loved to use his pepper spray every time he gets a chance (he rarely does).

fwiw, pigs in colloquial english is not just a slur but silly slang, unless you are bold enough to call a whole class of blue-collar people (who hate pigs) problematic. Maybe read Orwell (Animal Farm) or the later Irvine Welsh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filth_(novel)

Never ever trust a uniform whatever country you're in. Btw I also do consulting for LE and the "sane" ones usually don't deny that they have a problem with racism. I'm not even talking about the videos from China where people get beaten with sticks or dogs get clubbed to death by men in blue while their colleagues are laughing before they move on to terrifying citizens.

I don't think getting upset about what is "natural language" in blue collar surrounding is going to do any good. I know the pigs are OK with it. (watch out for those who are not though)

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Hiring practices of elderly care facilities in Croatia aside, I very much doubt that EU hospitals are already short of facemasks at a time when there's less than 500 cases among a population of over 700 million. That there are no facemasks available to the general public is a result of people plundering the stocks of private businesses. European disease control agencies aren't even recommending that people wear masks…

N95 masks are available on eBay from sellers with good reputations for around 2x normal prices.

A gov run healthcare facility certainly isn't going to order masks from "ebay". I agree that they should though if their normal supply chain isn't able to deliver and there are no other ways.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Did it ever occur to you that if there is open / reliable information about the disease people might choose not to go out and/or engage in these conferences? The whole reason all of these cancellations are happening in the first place (MWC, etc) is because rational actors have decided (without government intervention and even with incomplete information) that the risks are too great. Honestly my main concern in the U…

> Honestly my main concern in the United States is the complete and utter panic that will be caused by something that is only marginally less dangerous than getting in one's car to go to work each morning. If the fatality rate of COVID-19 is 2% as feared, that is dramatically more dangerous than getting in your car every morning. The flu kills somewhere around 20-30k Americans every year. The common flu has a fatalit…

Absolutely. It's scary as hell in that context and I likely was typing that trying to cope with the reality.

I'm really hoping we get more data on this so we can figure out what's happening. With the lack of testing / confirmation and light symptoms it must be impossible for our science community to track things right now.

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> You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war.

Interestingly enough, this argument works equally well for immigrants. Some fascists have no problem with the idea of a civil war in that context though…

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