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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by voltagex_ » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:10 AM UTC

k__ wrote: post #270

slantyyz wrote: post #185

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>> Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? >> I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I switched from OSX to Windows last year. I thought I'd miss stuff, but you don't. There are package managers like chocolatey to replace homebrew. I use Cmder as my…

I found compiling on Windows always a bit of a PITA. On Linux I just install build-essentials and everything works fine. On Windows I had to install a specific version of VS and fiddle around with the path to get things running. But maybe there is something like the build-essentials package in chocolatey? The terminal command history also feels strange. But I like cls more than clear, haha :D

Try msys2 - it has pacman for installing extra packages, it's basically what cygwin should have been.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by baddox » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:13 AM UTC

tmd83 wrote: post #462

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

This! At least from the initial look and spec it looks like they did a lot of the things right and put effort in making this nice. Yes there are things that maybe I can get by without but the basics looks fantastic. You don't chip $50 off a premium laptop and make it crappy. OEM just keeps making too many model at every price point .. at every 20 dollars it feels like. While I hate the almost singular choice for OsX…

> While I hate the almost singular choice for OsX

I actually find that this is less true now, and I miss when it was more true. There are a lot of choices now, not just at price points, but at form factors. Do I get a 13" MacBook Air, a 13" MacBook Pro Retina, a 12" MacBook, or the upcoming 12.9" iPad Pro?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by voltagex_ » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:15 AM UTC

curiousjorge wrote: post #357

scholia wrote: post #311

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What, a copy of a MacBook with a touch screen, pen operation, a serious GPU, and a detachable screen that works as a tablet running iPad-style apps? Still waiting for a MacBook that does any of that ;-)

I would never be caught with an Apple product built on the backs of millions of Chinese children and women in horrible and tyrannical working conditions. If this turns out to be the same case I will also denounce and boycott it.

What makes you think this isn't made in China? It's going to be a similar group of OEMs making the parts.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by voltagex_ » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:15 AM UTC

curiousjorge wrote: post #357

scholia wrote: post #311

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What, a copy of a MacBook with a touch screen, pen operation, a serious GPU, and a detachable screen that works as a tablet running iPad-style apps? Still waiting for a MacBook that does any of that ;-)

I would never be caught with an Apple product built on the backs of millions of Chinese children and women in horrible and tyrannical working conditions. If this turns out to be the same case I will also denounce and boycott it.

Actually, that does raise the question of what are you typing this post on right now?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by slowmovintarget » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:16 AM UTC

Already__Taken wrote: post #539

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Yeah, the UI is shit, though in the next server release they're adding native PowerShell over SSH, so hopefully you should never have to log in to one again.

There's been remoting in powershell since V2 the only cool thing about SSH is linux gets to join the party. And that is very cool

Have you actually tried to use Powershell remoting? When you try to do remote automation on Windows machines you land in this Bizarro world where some things work with psexec, some with remoting, and some not at all.

A working, secure protocol where things actually execute on the remote machine will be very welcome, and when we think SSH that's what we're excited about.

(The hit-and-miss nonsense I'm talking about was a script that reached out to a collection of machines, shut down a Win service, set it to "manual", deleted its log file, then set it back to auto, then started the service. It was a hodge-podge of psexec, remotable commandlets, and Powershell remoting. There may have been whiffs of WinRM in there too, but I'm trying to forget it.)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by eggy » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:16 AM UTC

gozo wrote: post #747

hkmurakami wrote: post #642

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This is what I was hopeful for when VAIO was spun off of SONY last year. When I saw the "machined magnesium body" line in their video [1] I was immediately reminded of the VAIO laptops that had beautiful material way back in the 90's. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVfOe5mFbAE&feature=youtu.be

"Fun fact": Steve Jobs is said to have admired Sony [0] and things like the MacBook Air is presumably inspired by the Sony VAIO X505 [1]. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+jobs+admiration+for+so... [1] http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385716/sony-vaio-iconic-pc...

I bought a Sony Vaio 15 Flip ($1200)[1] new vs. a MBP, Surface Pro 3 or Wacom Cintiq (needs a computer) for drawing. Artists are still looking to buy them at $1400 to $1800. It has a large drawings surface vs Surface Pro 3, a dedicated GPU, lots of ports, and a great screen. It runs my CAD programs (Rhino, MOI and AutoCAD Fusion) sufficiently for an i5-based notebook. It has some other great screen positions for just browsing. It a very sleek and well-designed unit. I can see how Jobs would admire them or be inspired by their innovative designs. Just look at the PSP vs. the Nintendo Gameboy physical design. I did consider an Apple Modbook [2], but it was too blocky, expensive, and going to a third-party for a modded Macbook didn't feel right, although they are Apple-endorsed and sponsored now.

[1] http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2425731,00.asp [2] http://www.modbook.com/

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by tracker1 » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:18 AM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #792

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Maybe I am unlucky but I tried different adapters. The Apple ethernet adapter is not even plug and play on windows and requires a reboot. But even USB adapters take a while for drivers to load then I had all sort of problems: the connection regularly being recognised as 100Mbit when it should be gigabit or the USB adapter not being recognised after a couple of unplugging without a reboot.

The Apple Thunderbolt Ethernet Adapter is basically a PCIe devices over Thunderbolt. Unless your OS has hot plug PCIe, it's going to require a reboot.

IIRC, the apple thunderbolt ethernet adapter violates thunderbolt spec and relies on the adapter specific driver for hot-plug when it's supposed to be a generic interface... this is a problem in other OSes running on mac hardware even.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by kelvie » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:21 AM UTC

bsilvereagle wrote: post #600

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VAIO had an edge a while back. Toshiba still throw some stuff from time to time. Panasonic too but in the survivor category.

Somewhat off topic, what're Vaio users migrating to? I look every year or so to see what the current laptop offerings are, and nothing has convinced me to leave my 5+ year old Vaio.

Honestly, the post-privatization Dells have been my go-to now (I just got work to get me a Latitude E7250, although the new XPS 13s also are tempting).

That said, it seems like the next laptop I'm getting just might be this Surface Book, or the next iteration of it.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by cmurf » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:22 AM UTC

jsalit wrote: post #585

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The new one specs says max altitude is 1200m/3937 feet. That's unusable in pretty much the entire state of Colorado. The previous version was 12000m or 7.45 miles. It must be something to do with the new barometer, but this is a miss.

The specs say the Maximum Operating Altitude is "-300m to +4877m".

Where? I'm getting it from http://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-band/en-us/support/hardwa... and it says Maximum operating altitude: +1200 m (3937 feet)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by lewisl9029 » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 1:26 AM UTC

Personally, I actually prefer the 16:9 aspect ratio for any screen that has sufficient raw vertical resolution to not hinder productivity (i.e. a lot more than 1080px for me).

I feel that once you get past the point where the lack of vertical resolution limits productivity, the marginal utility offered by even more vertical resolution becomes rather insignificant, to the point where I'd benefit more from having more horizontal resolution for snapping windows side-by-side.