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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by Vinnl »

dmpk2k wrote: post #773
Vinnl wrote: post #749

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AFAIK, beyond a certain speed (~25km/h?), EVs make just as much noise as ICEs, since the noise is then mainly generated by the tyres hitting the road. So I'm somewhat sceptical about this claim. Dutch city centres can be really crowded and yet actually quiet, because there are practically no cars. It's probably not Shenzen-level crowded, but I'd bet that the number of people that are being transported at busy locatio…

While true (beyond 30-50km/h), that assumes that cars are driving at a steady state. Obviously, cities with much more stop-and-go require more revving of engines. Acoustic tyres are also gradually becoming the norm, primarily with EVs. This cuts noise by several decibels. So it's not an unreasonable claim per se.

That makes sense, thanks for updating my priors!

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by bluGill »

deaux wrote: post #781
jdlshore wrote: post #301

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The economics are against them nonetheless. Solar + battery is seeing massive rollouts.

Those rollouts are seeing massive cutbacks from what I've read, as half the country is straight up banning new solar. Good luck ever getting that off the books.

I don't think it will be that hard. Banning solar is a feel good thing now that doesn't affect many people - but that means when the next election is gone it won't be opposed when lobbyists (and greens) try to roll it back. Of course each state is different, so some it will take more than a few elections. In some states solar is already widespread enough that you can't ban it because too many people already have it and know enough about it to tell their friends. Those friends who live in other states will start to ask why they don't.

Remember you need to keep the 20 year plan in mind. If you only look to the end of 2026 things are hopeless, but look to 2050 (and compare to 2000) and things look much better.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by Vinnl »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #765
Vinnl wrote: post #749

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AFAIK, beyond a certain speed (~25km/h?), EVs make just as much noise as ICEs, since the noise is then mainly generated by the tyres hitting the road. So I'm somewhat sceptical about this claim. Dutch city centres can be really crowded and yet actually quiet, because there are practically no cars. It's probably not Shenzen-level crowded, but I'd bet that the number of people that are being transported at busy locatio…

Source? That sounds dubious. Here in USA you hear blazing engines constantly, I’m skeptical a rubber tire is louder than that

The source is "I heard that somewhere", hence "AFAIK". It kinda matches my experience at least when I get closer to a highway, the noise I hear doesn't sound like engine noise anymore.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by phito »

abhinavk wrote: post #631
phito wrote: post #567

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In a lot of places, most of your electricity is generated by burning coal and gas.

Which are a lot more efficient than an ICE.

Yes they are, but it's still messing up nature. Was just to give some pushback to the venomous parent comment.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by angry_octet »

goshx wrote: post #784
angry_octet wrote: post #678

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I'm afraid it's exactly the opposite -- Tesla has awful software, and no self discipline about adding more bloat. There is a lot of rigorously designed software in cars where you can't see it. Jeep is no one's idea of quality in any respect though. Legacy brands do significantly improve software as the model evolves, and provide firmware updates to earlier models. The best car is probably the last one before a new pl…

> Tesla has awful software Tell me you have zero experience with a Tesla without telling me you have zero experience with a Tesla

Faith is a wonderful comfort for the incurious.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by rudhdb773b »

defrost wrote: post #751
rudhdb773b wrote: post #438

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The word "American" already unambiguously describes people of the USA. You don't need to make up a new word.

The word "American" has many sub entries in the Oxford English Dictionary - not all of those meanings are "citizen of the USofA". So much for unambiguous.

Have you ever actually heard it used in conversation or writing where the speaker's intention was a meaning that included people outside of the USA? I haven't.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by pamcake »

darkwater wrote: post #727
Nevermark wrote: post #688

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Do you have a car now? A phone? If you are wearing pants you are being tracked right now!

So why all this hysteria about cars tracking us if we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now? I'm being a bit sarcastic but also not. I understand the sentiment of people here but also the 2 standards applied.

> we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now

Speak for yourself. Also, lack of equivalent for "airplane mode" where it keeps functioning without remote connectivity makes it fundamentally worse.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #245
Slow_Hand wrote: post #232

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Could be! I don't know enough to say what the ratio of exhaust to tire particulate is on the average road. In either case it's a good physical representation of how much particulate we are exposed to every day. Maybe having it trapped in dirty snowbanks is better than having it getting kicked up into the air during a dryer season.

Road particles, brakes and tires dominate that massively. https://www.eiturbanmobility.eu/press-corner/nees-are-the-ma...

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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by angry_octet »

simondotau wrote: post #716
angry_octet wrote: post #678

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I'm afraid it's exactly the opposite -- Tesla has awful software, and no self discipline about adding more bloat. There is a lot of rigorously designed software in cars where you can't see it. Jeep is no one's idea of quality in any respect though. Legacy brands do significantly improve software as the model evolves, and provide firmware updates to earlier models. The best car is probably the last one before a new pl…

I know enough about the software in BMW (NBT/OS7) and Audi (MIB2/MIB3) instrument cluster stacks to know there's at least as much complexity — if not substantially more — in many of the legacy brands. Not to mention the exponential complexity which comes from their highly modularised approach, where systems from a variety of external suppliers have to co-ordinate with each other. By contrast, the Tesla software stack…

Look at the automotive standards for system verification, in standards like ISO 26262 functional safety. These standards are followed by engineering led organisations that respect safety. Tesla prefers a more laisse faire approach.

This is all orthogonal to software defined vehicles, except that you have to choose to segregate functions to achieve strong non-interference goals, and all that checking might slow down software development and Tesla doesn't like that.

The HMI on Teslas is trash, and drivers are measurably slower and more distracted in simulated and real conditions in their designs. The scan is slower, the affordances are weaker, the multi modal nature causes processing delays. The worst part is design and marketing teams being forced to copy them. Chinese imitations, like the insanely cheap/ugly MG4 tablet instrument, are going to age very badly.

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