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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by AdamN »

re-thc wrote: post #258
AdamN wrote: post #127

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That's the broad developer community. 90%+ of the engineers at Big Tech and the technorati startups are on MacOS with 5% on Linux and the other 5% on Windows.

> 90%+ of the engineers at Big Tech and the technorati startups The US 1s? Is that why we have Deepseek and then other non-US open source LLMs catching up rapidly? World view please. The developer community is not US only.

I live in Germany not the US. I mentioned in another comment but aside from the fact that Deepseek mainly targets Linux I expect that the Deepseek devs are using Mac or Linux.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by AdamN »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #145
AdamN wrote: post #127

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That's the broad developer community. 90%+ of the engineers at Big Tech and the technorati startups are on MacOS with 5% on Linux and the other 5% on Windows.

Source?

Working in three countries, working in big tech and startups, talking to people.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by asimovDev »

_jab wrote: post #40
testfrequency wrote: post #15

I have a fairly maxed out M2 Ultra (24 cores, 192GB RAM), and still cannot get this machine to choke on anything. I have not once felt the need to upgrade in years, and that’s with doing pretty demanding 3D and LLM work.

I've found current-generation Macs so capable that I've switched to using a Macbook Air. Would strongly recommend - it's still a powerful machine and it's significantly lighter and cheaper.

I have a M3 Max and considering that when I upgrade in 5 years or so , I will go base Mac Studio and base MBA. If I need to compile something or run a local LLM , I would just run that on the Studio and SSH from the Air. Wouldn't be running these heavy workflows while on the go anyways

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by asimovDev »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #309
alexpham14 wrote: post #177

Yeah, this feels like the annual “nice, but do I actually need it?” refresh if you’re already on an M4 Pro.

I'm on an M1 Pro and it's still a "nice, but do I actually need it?". They've done too well on the hardware side.

yeah, I am really interested in how they will justify retiring M1 chip when it's still so good. Some kind of security thing again like with T2 I presume

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by jtokoph »

kobalsky wrote: post #289
dawnerd wrote: post #243

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My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you wo…

This makes Asahi Linux so valuable to me. I'll just move to linux on my M2 Max when MacOS drops support.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by bluescrn »

dawnerd wrote: post #243
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

Shame the keycaps wear so poorly. Just a cosmetic issue, but on a £3k machine that’s otherwise amazing, it’s annoying to have keycaps that look rather dirty/greasy as they wear and develop shiny patches.

(Can at least replace them via the self-service repair store. Fiddly job but worth it)

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by lupajz »

wmf wrote: post #474
Flux159 wrote: post #428

So is this a minimal upgrade before the M6 Macbook Pros w/ OLED & a redesign later this year? It doesn't even look like they added cellular as an option with their own C1X chip (getting around the licensing / cost issues since it's their own chip now).

I wouldn't assume those are coming this year.

Maybe they just drop the M6 following with Pro & Max next year.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by jtokoph »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #758
rootusrootus wrote: post #683

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> I type this from an M3 Max 2023 MBP that still has 98% battery health. That's amazing. I have an early 2023 M2 Max MBP that mostly charges in desktop mode, which limits to 80%. I just looked in battery health and it says 82%. Damn! :( For giggles, earlier today I asked Apple how much they'd give me for this machine if I traded it in on a brand new $5K M5 Max equivalent. $825. Ouch. I think I will keep it for a few…

Your battery is defective if it's at 82% after 63 charge cycles. My M1 Pro has 87% capacity after ~5 years and 412 cycles of giving zero fucks and regularly draining the battery all the way down to almost 0% and charging back up to 100% every time. I plug in to charge at like 2% super often. Babying the battery doesn't make any sense IMO.

I agree. Apple may even replace out of warranty

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by sally_glance »

lamontcg wrote: post #383
Someone1234 wrote: post #100

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Apple's AI strategy really kind of threads the needle cleverly. "AI" (LLMs) may or may not have a bubble-pop moment, but until it does Apple get to ride it on these press releases and claims. But if the big-pop occurs, then Apple winds up with really fantastic hardware that just happens to be good at AI workloads (as well as general computing). For example, image classification (e.g. face recognition/photo tagging),…

LLM usage is not very likely to "dry up". What is more likely to happen though is that it doesn't take multiple $10B of datacenter and capital to build out models--and the performance against LLM benchmarks starts to max out to the point where throwing more capital at it doesn't make enough of a difference to matter. Once the costs shrink below $1B then Apple could start building their own models with the $139B in ca…

And they will most likely also be the last to benefit from hypothetical efficiency gains because they haven't been building up expertise (by burning billions) yet.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by intelkishan »

varenc wrote: post #519
swyx wrote: post #367

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> The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter. this is my exact opposite experience. my M3 Max from 2 years ago now has <2hrs battery life at best. wondering if any experts here can help me figure out what is going on? what should i be expecting?

As others have said, keep the battery in the 80%-30% range. Use the `batt` CLI tool to hard limit your max charge to 80%. Sadly, if you're already down to I type this from an M3 Max 2023 MBP that still has 98% battery health. But admittedly it's only gone through 102 charge cycles in ~2 years. (use `pmset -g rawbatt` to get cycle count or `system_profiler SPPowerDataType | grep -A3 'Health'` to get health and cycles)

The option to have a 80% cap is being added in the beta versions of MacOS. I think within a few months it should be available to general users without using extra tools.
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