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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by Paianni »

judahmeek wrote: post #619
Paianni wrote: post #536

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Nah, if anything the Islamist groups are biding their time, waiting for the internationally-supported governments to lose the will to carry on before striking.

No, I mean that even the Saudi's & the UAE are funding secular groups that are fighting Islamist groups because Saudi & UAE both believe that Islamist groups are too dangerous: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-growing-rift-betw...

The governments, yes, but not the general population necessarily. And the governments can't survive without oil revenue and/or external support, so they'll be losing in the long run.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by butterbomb »

SegfaultSeagull wrote: post #805
sosomoxie wrote: post #790

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Israel is surrounded by "enemies" because it's a European colony that was artificially constructed through ethnic cleansing and terror. I'm in the US, and it's crystal clear that Israel is the #1 threat to my way of life. There's a massive population that is done being gaslit about this.

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> If the standard is historical continuity, Jews are indigenous to that land. Their sovereignty was interrupted by conquest. It was not invented in the 20th century.

Cool, I guess I need to find wherever my ancestors lived 3000 years ago. Turns out. I have a claim to it still!

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by stickfigure »

delichon wrote: post #656
Cipater wrote: post #641

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I don't think doctrinal reformation is possible with Islam. The Qur'an is totally prescriptive. It contains direct legal commands, judicial rules and explicit government principles which are all binding and considered as direct divine speech. I think Westernisation and an increase in the number of "casual" muslims is and will continue to be the moderating effect. Think of what is happening in Europe (as the clearest…

The cultural gulf between left and right in the US is expanding rather than being assimilated or adapting. There is nothing stopping the same thing from happening between immigrants and natives in the EU. Both cases involve fundamentaly irecconcilable values, and it just depends on which values prove more viral.

I'm not sure the left/right cultural gulf will last beyond Trump. I'm not even sure it's still alive now, with Trump's approval ratings in the toilet. The US political system takes time to cycle and isn't on the same schedule as the political pendulum.

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Post by calf »

wfdsf2 wrote: post #199
1a527dd5 wrote: post #86

I wonder how old the rest of the commentators are. I watched the Shock and Awe campaign. I watched Saddam fall. I remember thinking this is great. Years later, I understand it was a complete folly. Removing Saddam in itself was good but what it did the wider region was not good.

One thing I notice on here is very few people understand counter intuitive stuff. As you said.. plenty of evidence where on the surface it seems good. But in reality it turns out to make the people in the region worse off.

One would think on HN there would be sophisticated grasp of complex systems than Reddit or what have you, so either there are just as many politically dogmatic/biased people in tech, or political threads are dominated by non-tech users, or what?

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Post by nailer »

bjourne wrote: post #264
nailer wrote: post #254

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I’m suggesting by referring to Iran as an Arab country, you have demonstrated you know very little about the Middle East.

Perhaps you may want to address my argument instead of nit-picking on that I used "Arab world" instead of "Middle East"?

No. The other poster already did a fine job about pointing out that Islamic terror groups typically use guerilla warfare which frequently involves fleeing, not wearing a uniform, hiding among civilians, etc.

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Post by arunabha »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #751
wiseowise wrote: post #578

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Prophets are more dangerous when they're dead. At 86 he would either die from old age or fighting "imperialistic, evil" Israel/US.

This Prophet believed/taught that school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven (believing God would judge a child for being raped). Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.

> Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.

Sadly, that has been a fairly common attribute for a fairly large majority of people anointed as 'prophets' and 'saints'.

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Post by estearum »

enrightened wrote: post #785
sosomoxie wrote: post #758

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Israel's enemies aren't "terror", they're legitimate resistance to an actual terrorist entity. Israel and the US are the terrorists, not the people defending against them. This latest round of unprovoked attacks only opens the world's eyes even more to this reality.

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> Israel was surrounded by enemies at the time of its creation itself

Uhhhh... euphemism of the century lmao

Can you describe how exactly Israel just came into existence surrounded by enemies?

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Post by tomjakubowski »

dotancohen wrote: post #620
breppp wrote: post #549

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Jordan political system is much older than Iran, as well as the Saudis and others. Iran theocracy is a new phenomena in the Middle East, ushering the implementation era of political Islam, later continued by ISIS, Hamas and the milder Qatar and current Turkey

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> Muslims who move to Christian-majority lands do not assimilate

this is a ridiculous and false generalization, disproved by my own experience living in the United States and being friends with Muslim immigrants.

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Post by bonsai_spool »

adrian_b wrote: post #797
bonsai_spool wrote: post #555

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> There isn't even a falsified pretext like WMD's I don’t think anyone believes it, but I’ve heard media reports that ‘unnamed officials’ thought the regime was weeks away from a nuclear weapon. I think an Article 5 invocation would be a cynical way to destroy NATO with some deniability

Not a long time ago, the previous time when USA had bombed Iran, Trump claimed to have destroyed completely anything that Iran could use to make nuclear weapons. It would be weird (or not?) to contradict himself now by claiming that they were able to make nuclear weapons.

I avoid listening to the current POTUS as it’s hard to make sense of his illogic, but his video said, “ they attempted to rebuild their nuclear program and to continue developing long-range missiles that can now threaten our very good friends and allies in Europe, our troops stationed overseas and could soon reach the American homeland.”

But this is supposedly false per reports.

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