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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by SequoiaHope »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #789
SequoiaHope wrote: post #326

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It never went away. The Voron continues to be a popular DIY 3D printer, tho many people choose to buy ready-made printers.

THis is a case of me not knowing and assuming, ha. I remember the peak days of the RepRap scene so I just assumed as that slowed down, the entire thing was dead

I was attending Bay Area Reprap Club meetings in 2010! Got my first printer (Ultimaker V1) in 2011. My how things have changed. We just got a second Bambu H2D Pro at work. Incredible machine.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #564
bmelton wrote: post #537

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This _cannot_ be true I'm new to 3D printing, so grains of salt abound, but since I started in on the hobby this Christmas, I've purchased four 3D printers. 3 budget-but-highly-regarded kings to start, but they all gave me tons of trouble. The Elegoo Centauri Carbon I got for Christmas that sparked this mess is a budget knockoff of the Bambu X1C, but in the first 30 days of ownership, I experienced 2 hardware failure…

You are a "new" type of user for the 3d printing world. In the last decade, most 3d printer users were hobbyists and liked to know the internals of the machine they were using. That's why there are so many useless models of random gadgets on thingiverse. People didn't care about the output, more about the process. With the arrival of bambu and the last Creality, the market has shifted to a plug and print model where…

I built my Prusa from a kit and was interested in the internals, but I was always annoyed I spent more time working on the printer sometimes than learning CAD.

And the Prusa is a real workhorse. I’ve only had a couple problems in almost a decade.

A lot of the hobby is people printing out useless things. But the it doesn’t even work for people who are interested in learning CAD. There’s no surprised everyone is turning to Bambu. So will I when my Prusa breaks or there’s a sale too hard to pass up.

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Post by pfranz »

mayhemducks wrote: post #723
pfranz wrote: post #721

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> If you look at how Apple detects contraband imagery, they hash every image that gets uploaded into the photos app. Those hashes are transmitted to servers that compare them to hashes of known contraband. You're spelling out a specific process in detail--which is the only reason I'm picking on details. Do you have anything documenting what you're describing? From what I remember, Apple's system was proposed, but nev…

Aah okay - I remember it being proposed, but perhaps I wrongly assumed it had shipped. I do wonder sometimes if Apple is doing anything that we aren't privy to with photos that end up in iCloud.

This page probably has the most detail: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

This article is a few years old, but has more of a plain-English, third party explanation: https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/21/what-apple-surren...

Its fair not to trust Apple or any company, but Google and a lot of companies were scanning the cloud versions without the negative press Apple got. My understanding is Apple proposed scanning on-device because images were encrypted in the cloud. Uploading and have manual review process seems like a big ongoing cost.

Personally, I dont think Apple is doing anything with photos it stores in the cloud.

Like the first article says, technically they could, because they store the encryption key for user-convenience. Turning on Advanced Data Protection should take away their ability to decrypt photos. But there are a whole bunch of caveats if you're talking about all cloud their data and that has changed over the years.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

ebruchez wrote: post #749
JKCalhoun wrote: post #588

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I'm a hobbyist and price, in the end, sold me on Bambu Labs. (And I stayed once I saw the quality. Likely Prusa can match or exceed it, but not with what I was willing to lose from my wallet.)

Not criticizing your decision, but I went the opposite way, deciding that I was ok spending a certain extra amount initially in order to encourage a non-Chinese manufacturer. But I understand not everyone has this luxury. I bought the Core One kit to understand better how the machine works, which reduced the price delta somewhat. It remains to be seen over the long term which way is actually better financially, as Pr…

In hindsight, I would have been happy to spend more if I knew the quality of what I was purchasing would be high.

My Ender that I had purchased years earlier sat in the closet gathering dust because of how much of a pain it was trying to dial in the bed to level, etc. I took a second chance at 3D printing on the Bambu, but might not have if it were costly.

If someone now tells me a Prusa (or whatever) is as good as and simple as the Bambu, I would not hesitate to spend even double.

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Post by propellerhat »

slg wrote: post #800
propellerhat wrote: post #794

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This is legislation. Legislation that grants the government veto-power over what you can create. The entire issue here is law. The fact that you "...didn't mention the law..." in your first comment is stunning. From the text of the proposed legislation, this blocking technology needs to fail closed. This means that you need a form of permission to start a manufacturing process. It compels each entity involved in the…

>The entire premiss for this? To stop individuals from manufacturing firearms and firearm components WHICH IS A LAWFUL ACTIVITY! Everything is a lawful activity until they make a law outlawing it. You're arguing against the idea of all new laws. >Your motivations are transparent. You are using regurgitated anti-gun arguments. I wasn't hiding anything. I think stricter gun regulations would be a net benefit for an Ame…

Thanks for being honest. Can't fault you for that.

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Post by cindyllm »

dns_snek wrote: post #806
Brian_K_White wrote: post #670

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You need both, because there really is no such thing as kill it in it's crib. The people that want this will continue to want it forever, and will continue to propose it forever. And eventually it works.

How would this situation be any different if BBL printers were open source? The law doesn't care about licensing, there are just 2 groups of printers - those that follow the law and implement effective blocking technology and those that don't. If BBL sells an open source printer that allows someone to trivially bypass proposed mandatory blocking technology, they'll be fined and held liable for any crimes that result…

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Post by Retric »

maxlybbert wrote: post #385
Retric wrote: post #153

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Actually things that are new after the constitution was written is regularly brought up before the court it’s a very common argument. The thing was written a long time ago, everyone involved in the process acknowledges that fact. The degree to which papers applies to electronic data should be familiar to you. Supreme court rulings are arbitrary as they regularly reverse or update standards, sometimes multiple times.

Yes, this comes up, but the Court tends to say things that didn’t exist are covered by constitutional rights. I can’t imagine think of any time they asked “could the founders have imagined this?” Television, radio, and the internet are all protected by freedom of the press without anybody ever showing that the founders could have imagined them. From Heller v. DC: “Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolo…

> the Court tends to say things that didn’t exist are covered by constitutional rights.

Sure but drivers licenses exist when no similar requirements existed for horse drawn buggies because the clear increase in relative danger to the public. When comparing newspapers with radio, the limited spectrum on radio was accepted as justification for more restricted speech etc.

Really citing when the court ruled one way vs another is less important than recognizing which kinds of arguments tend to resonate with the court as in the end specific cases are arbitrary decisions influenced by the specifics of the case.

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Post by hedora »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #464
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

Too bad everyone jumped shipped to Bambuu Labs. If only we still had open source hardware.

I’m new to 3d printing. I saw bambu pushed a firmware update that bricked offline mode, so didn’t really consider them when shopping around.

I’m really liking my (better specs for less money) elegoo centauri. I compiled the slicer from source because there weren’t Linux binaries.

All problems solved. It even happily prints exotic stuff like TPU, which I guess bambu has been cracking down on for unclear reasons.

Maybe I don’t know what I’m missing, but I’ve had zero issues downloading files (even from bambu-centric websites) and running them through the slicer.

I can’t imagine wanting to use their cloud whatever thing, or it providing any value beyond the open source stacks.

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Post by hedora »

robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

It’ll happen the day this bill is passed.

If they cared even a little bit about gun violence, they’d focus on mental health and other preventive measures.

If they just wanted to provide the illusion that they cared about gun violence, they’d go after high-volume manufacturers first.

This reminds me of Trump’s Venezuela coup. I’m offended they aren’t even bothering to properly lie about their motives.

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Post by somenameforme »

mrguyorama wrote: post #771
somenameforme wrote: post #469

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I do not think the current government in the US is fascist, but electing fascists would indeed be an exercise in democracy. The entire point of democracy is that it's the will of the people, whether right or wrong. This is precisely why democracy was never seen as a tenable system for millennia. Thinkers of the past always assumed that the people would be incapable of picking the most skilled leaders, and would inste…

Democracy is not "Whoever gets half + 1 vote is king" Winning representatives are still supposed to represent the people who didn't vote for them in fact. Democracy isn't about picking the "best" leader because that's not necessary. "The best" is almost never necessary, and you are much better off building a system that handles regularly not getting the best, because no system reliably picks the best, especially sinc…

You're imposing your own ideological conditions that literally do not exist. It's like a supporter of e.g. imperial systems saying that the emperor is supposed to represent all of society. In society's opinion? Sure, but there is no such condition in reality. Some did, some didn't.

The problem with democracy is that we don't get anywhere even remotely near the best. It tends to promote people that are highly charismatic and highly corrupt. The latter trait is not a coincidence, but a part of getting ahead in democracy. Give corporations what they want and your election coffers will be full, refuse and they'll instead fund your opponent and their media will frame you as unelectable, a threat to democracy, or whatever new FUD phrase focus tests best at the time. And that corruption tends to correlate strongly with a complete vacancy of morals or ethics - see: how our entire political class, globally, flocked to pedo island like flies to shit.

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