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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by YZF »

severino wrote: post #651
YZF wrote: post #639

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Russias' narrative about its special operation in Ukraine is also about a defensive war. I'm curious to know about your stance on this Russian-Ukraine conflict.

The cognitive dissonance is supporting Ukraine but not supporting Israel. Both were attacked. The anti-Israel argument is like saying Ukraine can't fight back because it's not Russia that attacked Ukraine, it's Putin, and therefore Ukraine has no justification to defend itself against Russia. That's the odd logic that the anti-Israelis bring to bear when Israel defends its population. Granted the power balance is different but the moral position is not. Israel is much stronger than the attacking Palestinian entity but if Ukraine was much stronger and it could inflict a lot more damage on Russia and Russians that would be justified given Russia invaded Ukraine and does not yield.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by wsve »

diedyesterday wrote: post #755
epsters wrote: post #475

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Don't know about who exactly are the 'leftists' you are referring to but here's my take : Palestine : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift blockade so Palestinians dont suffer. Iran : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift sanctions so Iranian people dont suffer. Interested to hear your take regarding the same.

Your simplistic recipe shows you don't understand the situation and way for improvement in either case.

What part of the previous comment do you think is so ridiculous?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by wsve »

busterarm wrote: post #536
krainboltgreene wrote: post #517

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This is such an absurd analysis that it is bewildering anyone would post it.

Lifting the sanctions doesn't suddenly make their government, regulation or economy stable. Their biggest companies are all government-owned and famously corrupt and mismanaged. This is criticism given from most of the region when the topic of lifting sanctions comes up. Nothing I said is novel or extreme. In fact, we have direct evidence of what happens when those sanctions are lifted from when it was done under the…

> October 7th happened.

This is a weird thing to say to me. You're saying that keeping sanctions on Iran is important to prevent another October 7 because Iran was funding Hamas? Okay, but then wouldn't it be better to put sanctions on Israel, since they're the aggressive, colonizing, occupying force?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by E-Reverance »

coryrc wrote: post #792
E-Reverance wrote: post #758

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This says very little about the quality of the culture averaged over those thousands of years Quit cherrypicking for the sake of being an edgelord

You don't think history has an effect on the present? I didn't even bring up SAVAK or Basij.

You haven't shown that the lineage is connected to modern Persian people nor whether it is particularly prominent in Persian culture as a whole

Torture and power preserving/seeking are emergent and universal, nothing particularly Persian about it

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by coryrc »

E-Reverance wrote: post #814
coryrc wrote: post #792

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You don't think history has an effect on the present? I didn't even bring up SAVAK or Basij.

You haven't shown that the lineage is connected to modern Persian people nor whether it is particularly prominent in Persian culture as a whole Torture and power preserving/seeking are emergent and universal, nothing particularly Persian about it

I feel you must not have met any people from continually-multi-thousand-year-old cultures.

I believe Crete was the first country to unilaterally declare itself a part of another country, because being Greek is possibly the strongest and proudest connection they share. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete#Cretan_State_and_union_w...

The Jewish Diaspora take great lengths to preserve their traditions; you can walk into a synagogue (sharing the same movement) anywhere in the world and it'll be the same as your hometown.

The Persians I have known have had a connection to their history similarly, for better or for worse. Their views and values are a little different than, say, your average Euro-mutt "white" American -- and I think we "white" Americans have some lessons we could take about culture, identity, and values.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Grimblewald »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

If it was Israel attacking Iran, and my government still sends arms and financial support to Israel, then I would care. However, provided this is a country governing itself, it isn't my place to say squat. I'd help, if asked, but there's so much strife and massacre in the world that this doesn't really stand out. It is when my tax money pays for this kind of strife and massacre when I get quite vocal about it.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Ray20 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #621
Ray20 wrote: post #287

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> How about plain civil disobedience? Like just stop working? An amazing level of privilege. In half of the world, if you stop working, you will very soon die of hunger.

Work–to–rule, then. This was actually included in the CIA sabotage manual.

I even envy this level of privilege. How exactly work-to-rule will protect you from the same consequences?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

Palestinians should not view Iran as an ally, but an enemy of an enemy that looks to use them for their callous geopolitical goals.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by garbagecoder »

noah_buddy wrote: post #426
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Your government does fund Sudan and did fund Iran to the tune of billions of dollars in relief under Obama and Biden. Why didn't you care then?

You know why. So does everyone that uses this copypasta argument.

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