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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by rcarmo »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #751
dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

> 1. Old bugs are not fixed. If Apple would open source some of its OS apps, this would probably be a non-issue, I could see people putting in bugfix PRs the second Apple chooses to open source their core apps. I don't see them doing this any time soon sadly, but it would make macOS much more stable, and probably secure. The more I have thought about my views on Open Source vs Commercial software, I strongly feel tha…

Mail.app alone had enough issues and missing features to sustain an entire cottage industry, and would be one app I would certainly like to contribute to. But it shall never come to pass.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by [deleted] »

rcarmo wrote: post #811
giancarlostoro wrote: post #751

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> 1. Old bugs are not fixed. If Apple would open source some of its OS apps, this would probably be a non-issue, I could see people putting in bugfix PRs the second Apple chooses to open source their core apps. I don't see them doing this any time soon sadly, but it would make macOS much more stable, and probably secure. The more I have thought about my views on Open Source vs Commercial software, I strongly feel tha…

Mail.app alone had enough issues and missing features to sustain an entire cottage industry, and would be one app I would certainly like to contribute to. But it shall never come to pass.

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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by iLemming »

Citizen_Lame wrote: post #784
eloisius wrote: post #771

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I used Mac for 10 years and started feeling the same irritation around 2017. In 2020 I finally bit the bullet and switched to Linux. The initial investment into getting a usable Arch desktop was horrible. It took several days just to get to the point of something that I could boot into and be productive. It takes me a long time to get things working the way I want, but I kind of enjoy that aspect of total customizati…

Out of curiosity, what kind of work do you do on Linux. Because, some workflows are simply not possible on Linux due to missing applications.

Some workflows not possible on Windows. I avoid using Windows thus I don't care about the pain of having to depend on it - have zero interest in what's not possible somewhere else. What's your point?

The only thing from macOS I truly miss when in Linux is JXA/Applescript automation engine. That's the only thing I miss.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by veidr »

devwastaken wrote: post #793
dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

If apple didnt win in hardware theyd be gone.

If Mike Tyson didn't punch so hard back then...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by ethbr1 »

TomaszZielinski wrote: post #773
dreamcompiler wrote: post #752

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I used to love Apple Mail but it was precisely this bug that made me move permanently to Thunderbird. It's hard for me to fathom a bug so severe that it caused data loss on an IMAP server , but Apple created said bug and put it into production . Thunderbird has the nice advantage of working on both MacOS and Linux with the same UI. It's not quite as nice as Apple Mail's classic UI (which is no longer available -- see…

I can imagine that some race condition slips into production, but what's hard for me to process is why it’s 5 or 6 years later and it’s still not fully fixed. I mean, even if you have no idea what's the cause, you e.g. stuff counters everywhere and when they don't match you send the telemetry with the details. Privacy is preserved and over time you get an idea what to look for. I admit I have no idea how mail client…

> but what's hard for me to process is why it’s 5 or 6 years later and it’s still not fully fixed

Because Apple's (the company's, as a whole) bug -> triage -> engineering -> deployment process is fundamentally broken, and obviously has been for decades at this point.

Say what you want about MS, but at least critical issues that actual customers are experiencing tend to get fixed.

Apple seems to have some weird 'maybe someone will look at it, if they have time, after they get done implementing new features for the next release' process. (Glaring example: daisy chaining DisplayPort support)

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by touristtam »

jmkni wrote: post #34
skydhash wrote: post #29

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Sometimes it’s Apple and Google that are forcing developers. The system is perfectly capable of running the app (you’re not using any new API) but store policies force you to add the restriction anyway.

Yeah we are in this situation right now with an App, we literally can't update it unless we target a more modern version of the SDK, which introduces breaking changes

Does it mean that you potentially have multiple version of the same software released if you are choosing to support devices that have been dropped from the latest SDK?

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by moralestapia »

kminehart wrote: post #258
rvrb wrote: post #227

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Fedora Silverblue is the closest feeling to the macOS experience I fell in love with that I’ve had on Linux in, well, ever. Very happy with it on my desktop and laptop. It’s not perfect but it is less imperfect than modern macOS has become. Finding a laptop that works well is annoying, however.

> Finding a laptop that works well is annoying, however. It doesn't exist at the moment. :\ I would pay 2x the price of a macbook for a linux laptop with the same hardware quality. The battery life and power/efficiency of my m4 pro is insane. It's so good that it's really hard to justify using anything else right now.

>I would pay 2x the price of a macbook for a linux laptop with the same hardware quality.

Same, and I've been wanting this for 15 years now ...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Lord-Jobo »

AlexandrB wrote: post #696
rogerrogerr wrote: post #327

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Ooh, the mouse myth! Love it when this one gets dragged out. Turns out it’s not really a problem - the battery life is measured in months, you’ll get several hours from plugging it in for thirty seconds, and days if you plug it in for a few minutes while getting coffee. People love to hate it, but it’s never been a real problem. The ergonomics are bad. The charging isn’t.

So the ergonomics are bad and the charging port is in inconvenient location. What's good about it? Anything? Most Logitech mice go for months on a set of batteries too.

I own and like apple products, android, Google, Microsoft, razr, keychron, Logitech.

The apple mouse is one of the worst mainstream products I've ever had to use. It has no advantages that can even begin to scratch away at the terrible TERRIBLE ergonomics alone.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by articsputnik »

IndySun wrote: post #760
articsputnik wrote: post #755

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the same for me (e.g. yabai didn't work anylonger properly with latest update). But for the past 2 months (or so), I couldn't be happier with Omarchy. It's a Linux build that comes with all the Mac specifications out of the box and is set up as a tiling window manager, which is what I used on macOS. But no more bugs, and it just works. Plus I can tweak my own OS, if I need to change something. In case of interest, I…

Can you say a little more about the "fan always running"? Can it be attended to?

As someone coming from mac, i didn't know about basic things. So one thing I found, don't put your none-mac on a desk mat, it's very bad for thermal throttling. So that helped a ton. I also found that when plugged in in powermode, the lenovo was always on high power, therefore fan on. By switching to balanced, that turned of as well.

But also, as I stuck with Omarchy, I wanted a more beefier machine, as I work all day on the laptop. So with the new machine, Tuxedo latest version, I don't have any fans anymore too, just because it's much faster and better thermal. I will eventually write these up in a second part of the article.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by AlexandrB »

CharlesW wrote: post #193
RomanPushkin wrote: post #169

Maybe it's new and controversial, but I like it. Honestly, I think there is something more about it. Like another Apple product that we're going to see in the future, like Apple glasses would work perfectly with this UI.

I've been using it for ~6 weeks, and I'm also a bit confused by the hate since it's barely changed. I'm a fan of the improved UX harmonization across form factors. My intuition is that the minor and gradual "Duploization" of macOS in Sequoia and now Tahoe foreshadows touchscreen MacBooks.

> I'm a fan of the improved UX harmonization across form factors.

Don't understand why. A ~6" phone screen and a 3x1440p setup have little in common regarding what "effective" UX looks like. Unifying them for the sake of consistency risks making both worse.

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