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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by josephg »

aqme28 wrote: post #740
josephg wrote: post #281

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Honestly I find it kind of sickening how much people treat this conflict like picking a sports team. I’ve been saying that from the start - I feel for the civilians caught in the middle of this conflict, from both Israel and Gaza. I’ve caught flak from both sides for saying so. Some people seem deadset on making an enemy of nuance.

I see your point, but it can also be frustrating when people “both-sides” every atrocity. It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting.

I guess. But, the conflict in the middle east is insanely complex. Anyone claiming you can simplify the situation into "good guys" vs "bad guys" just doesn't understand the history of the region. Or they're lying about it, because they want a sports team.

> It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting.

Eh. I hear that as a less articulate, more annoying way to say "I care more generally about police violence more than police violence against black people, specifically." Seems reasonable to me, even if people bring it up in an oblique way.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by tyingq »

gadders wrote: post #708
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

Not a massive fan of Israel, but I can't see any other country reacting in a different way to Oct 7th. The Hamas attack has to be one of the dumbest strategic moves ever made.

Hamas is an exacerbating symptom, not a primary cause. A decades-long apartheid breeds fierce, brutal resistance.

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Post by tome »

Zacharias030 wrote: post #782
FabHK wrote: post #447

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Why did Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza and dismantled its settlements in 2005? It gave them what they wanted, and look what it got in return. Murderous terrorism.

Why was there a permanent military occupation of Gaza before 2005?

I'm having trouble understanding the notion of "permanent military occupation of Gaza before 2005". Just out of interest, who occupied Gaza before 1967? And who before 1948? And who before 1920?

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by tome »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #693
Jensson wrote: post #589

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> Israel has been an apartheid state for decades Around 20% of Israelis are Muslims and they have full rights and get to vote, so no its not an apartheid state.

If you talk to any Muslim that lives in Israel (which I have), you will realise that they only have full rights in theory . Arabs with Israeli passports are routinely searched and investigated by intelligence agencies, and in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas (multiple sources online, including the recent Louis Theroux documentary). This is the very definition of a…

> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas

No one with an Israeli passport is allowed to visit Area A of the West Bank, regardless of their ethnicity.

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Post by tyingq »

whadar wrote: post #725
geysersam wrote: post #695

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> but how else would Gazans eat Lets be entirely clear that the food crisis in Gaza is manufactured. There is enough food and medicines available and there are several organizations capable of dealing with the logistics of handling out the food, main one among them of course being UNWRA. The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let re…

"The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution

Flood the relatively tiny area, with enough deliveries directly to the right places and people, with more food and supplies than is needed.

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Post by tdeck »

sc970 wrote: post #788
buyucu wrote: post #758

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Israel will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder.

"It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder." Is this referring to the Hamas Charter? Suspect it is a typo and you meant to say both sides.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-char...

Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders (2017)

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Post by 1718627440 »

colechristensen wrote: post #120
rizs12 wrote: post #74

Isn't the Prime Minister of Israel wanted by the Hague?

"international law" is, i don't know how to say this quite right, largely for show when both sides seem to be willing and eager to order, participate in, and cheer for atrocities from leadership to the common people... I don't want to take ideological sides or tally up crimes to decide who to root for in millennia old conflict mostly over a single city it's a terrible shame for the people who want to live together in…

You'd need a body enforcing them and I'm not sure if we really want the one world government.

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Post by rendall »

9dev wrote: post #640
rendall wrote: post #99

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"The solution is certainty not x" is not a solution. Saying "it's not x" is easy. If you really believe that Gazans are being starved, then save them by coming up with a great solution for Israel. Let's hear what you think Israel should do.

> If you really believe that Gazans are being starved This is so disgusting. There is an endless flood of proof from reliable media all over the world. It's a fact, not a matter of belief. > Let's hear what you think Israel should do. A government with members that are publicly outspoken for a genocide in Gaza simply cannot be trusted on this issue. It's like letting the wolf pack guard the sheep pen and hoping they…

Your solution?

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

tome wrote: post #815
4gotunameagain wrote: post #693

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If you talk to any Muslim that lives in Israel (which I have), you will realise that they only have full rights in theory . Arabs with Israeli passports are routinely searched and investigated by intelligence agencies, and in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas (multiple sources online, including the recent Louis Theroux documentary). This is the very definition of a…

> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas No one with an Israeli passport is allowed to visit Area A of the West Bank, regardless of their ethnicity.

Yeah. And?

One case is an assertion of sovereignty (whether we agree or not), the other case is apartheid.

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