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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by walterbell »

eddieroger wrote: post #428
vvilliamperez wrote: post #239

Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?

I had to be vaccinated to enter first grade, and again in college. Since I went to a public school, doesn't that already kind of answer this question?

MMR vaccines are sterilizing, i.e. you take them once and done. No lifetime booster subscription.

Current Covid vaccines are non-sterilizing. They do not provide immunity that is equivalent to the MMR vaccine.

A future (nasal) Covid vaccine may offer long-term mucosal and blood/serum immunity.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by megous »

ljf wrote: post #806
megous wrote: post #761

There are people with long term issues starting right after vaccination. Not safety issues, which everyone and their dog studies, just multi-month constant pain that will not kill you but just disables you from your normal life for months, that is not solvable by regular NSAIDs, as usual, and that you'll get no compensation for from anyone. I'm just interested in how common this is after vaccination, and perhaps when…

I guess we can look to places like Israel where there is nearly 100 percent, and the UK where there is a very high vaccination rate esp in the over 50s. If you go to the gp/doctor and you tell them you are suffering issues after a vaccine they have to (by law) pass that on to the regulator and to the vaccine manufacturer. In Israel and in the UK reports to doctors about longer term side effects of the vaccine are wit…

Yes, but where are the data? What low means? What is expected range? Just 1% would be a lot of people to have longer term side effects. Etc.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by acituan »

hondo77 wrote: post #527
acituan wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I recent came across a technique... The moment you start talking about techniques you've already objectified the person across you to something to be finessed over, and as such less than a full person. So many of our recent social-media extremized public debates escalate to the point of denying or diminishing the other side's personhood. They are an "obstacle" to overcome for some greater purpose, and thus we "must…

> ...a protest for having been left out of this process... Because it's not like they live in a representative democracy, right?

Representative democracy is a decision-making process. I’m talking about the process that precedes it; of making sense of the world through dialogue.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by learc83 »

rglover wrote: post #671
learc83 wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any specific examples of this?: "weird, Orwellian ways that the government talks about it" Public schools, colleges, and the military have been requiring vaccines for decades. >It ends up feeling less like the decisions are guided by science and more like they’re guided by petty tyrants wanting to control what others do. This sounds like a result of reading about what health care and government officials…

The Department of Homeland Security saying "opposition to COVID measures" makes someone a "potential terror threat" is about as knee-deep in Orwellian propaganda as you can get. NBC News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMCXkjaMxQ&t=778s

Here's what the bulletin actually says

"Through the remainder of 2021, racially- or ethnically-motivated violent extremists (RMVEs) and anti-government/anti-authority violent extremists will remain a national threat priority for the United States. These extremists may seek to exploit the emergence of COVID-19 variants by viewing the potential re-establishment of public health restrictions across the United States as a rationale to conduct attacks. Pandemic-related stressors have contributed to increased societal strains and tensions, driving several plots by domestic violent extremists, and they may contribute to more violence this year.

Foreign and domestic threat actors, to include foreign intelligence services, international terrorist groups and domestic violent extremists, continue to introduce, amplify, and disseminate narratives online that promote violence, and have called for violence against elected officials, political representatives, government facilities, law enforcement, religious communities or commercial facilities, and perceived ideologically-opposed individuals. There are also continued, non-specific calls for violence on multiple online platforms associated with DVE ideologies or conspiracy theories on perceived election fraud and alleged reinstatement, and responses to anticipated restrictions relating to the increasing COVID cases."

https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisor...

Doesn't sound Orwellian to me at all.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by larkost »

ufmace wrote: post #498
thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

> To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities would have burned over it. It's very political. There's a bunch of screenshots and videos floating around of left-wing people who didn't trust the vaccine because they perceived it as coming from the Trump administration when it was in place. Now that we've swapped presidents, the side of that hav…

Correction: there are a bunch of screenshots and videos about people saying they would not trust a vaccine just because President Trump said so. Given all of the awful advice that was common from the then-president (e.g.: hydroxychloroquine), that was perfectly reasonable.

You can probably find exceptions, but the widely spread examples I am aware of all then went on to talk about believing it when it came from the CDC and other authorities.

I would argue that there has been little flipping. Those who were not going to get the vaccine under President Trump are also not going to get it under President Biden. The recent "boo"ing of former President Trump at his recent rally when he recommended people get vaccines is just the latest evidence of that.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by throwawayzz007 »

handoflixue wrote: post #653
xdennis wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, what would it take for you to change your mind? A lot of things, but just the top two would be enough: 1) Being able to sue. If you can sue J&J for baby powder, should be able to sue Pfizer for vaccines if anything goes wrong. 2) Falsifiability in government actions. Many rights have been taken away (some permanently) by saying "we just need to do this and then it will all be over" like "a few weeks to flatte…

> Being able to sue. Why is suing vital? What's insufficient about the existing National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html (I'm genuinely unfamiliar with any flaws it might have) > Many rights have been taken away (some permanently) What rights have been permanently removed? For that matter, what RIGHTS have been even temporarily suspended?

> What's insufficient about the existing National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program?

Max compensation is $250k. Life insurance values my life far more. Documents are under seal. Payouts are paid by the tax payer, not the manufacturers. Cases are heard by HHS and defended by DOJ (more taxes footing the bill). HHS has repeatedly refused to add certain injuries to their compensation tables even after CDC directed research indicates that such injuries have been proven to be causal (eg: motor tics in those that received thimerosol containing vaccines). Most cases now go years before any decision is made when the original stated purpose of the program was speedy settlements (6 months or less). The only expert witnesses that might be allowed to speak in secret vaccine court will likely be the scientists that were paid to design the vaccine in question by industry. Doctors that have testified against industry in this court (and others like it in other nations) have had their careers destroyed by retaliatory tactics.

I find it quite funny and sad that you need to ask “what’s wrong with this special, secret court?” What’s NOT wrong with a special, secret court designed to protect a massive industry? NO PRODUCT CLASS should be protected in this manner.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

supportlocal4h wrote: post #325
ceejayoz wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why don't we lockdown our highways when there are 600,000 deaths from auto accidents? We mandate seat belts, air bags, guard rails, road construction standards, backup cameras, crumple zones, and quite a few other elements involved in road safety. Per-mile road deaths have been on a precipitous decline for decades due to ongoing increases in safety mandates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate…

So 35000 deaths per year is ok? 100000? 250000? 1.5 million (diabetes)? 500000 hospitalizations (influenza)? What deserves such incredible non-stop daily attention? Answer: whatever makes the most money.

According to this table [1], we spent about double on coronavirus public funding in 2020 as we do _every_ year for diabetes. As an emergent situation with potential for much more death, that seems proportional.

Also, according to [2], "The majority of people with diabetes have type 2 diabetes." So the majority of deaths are possibly preventable, which sounds familiar to the debate around COVID.

Finally, to suggest diabetes and coronaviruses are at all the same is an ignorant statement. It's not like _nobody_ cares about diabetes. It just happens to be its own tough nut to crack. What have you contributed to the body of knowledge about it?

> What deserves such incredible non-stop daily attention? Answer: whatever makes the most money.

Indeed. This is why I strictly limit my news consumption, but it's not completely useless. I scan for trends and dig into sources and details. The stuff I linked in this comment took me all of 5 minutes to find with Internet searches.

[1]: https://report.nih.gov/funding/categorical-spending#/

[2]: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/diabetes

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by dang »

yupper32 wrote: post #786
dang wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't cross into personal attack on HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's against the rules here and only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It was more of a plea than an attack, but I can see why it seemed that way. I'd edit it if I could. And since you're here, why aren't you doing more to [flag/demote/whatever] content where people are saying that Covid booster shots and their requirements are nothing more than "petty tyrants wanting to control what others do."? Surely that's worse than a small attack on the person saying it?

If there are comments breaking the site guidelines that aren't getting moderated, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see them. There are far too many for us to see them all.

Referring to authorities as "petty tyrants" or whatever probably doesn't count a personal attack unless the "petty tyrant" is personally present. I don't think those comments are very high quality, but this is the internet. Trying to raise comment quality is like trying to lift a tsunami. We do what we can.

I don't agree that personal attacks are "small". I think they are particularly poisonous to community.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by skocznymroczny »

jayd16 wrote: post #413
supportlocal4h wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So 35000 deaths per year is ok? 100000? 250000? 1.5 million (diabetes)? 500000 hospitalizations (influenza)? What deserves such incredible non-stop daily attention? Answer: whatever makes the most money.

Whats crazy is people have already forgotten that we had large outbreaks and hospitals overrun. The hospitals were way over capacity with the sick. Covid is not a normal problem.

I don't know about the US, but every country that has winter has hospitals "overrun" with flu every year and never such authoritarian measures were taken.
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