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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by lalaland1125 » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

weasel_words wrote: post #792

lalaland1125 wrote: post #667

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You think it's homophobic for someone to write about their own struggle with internalized homophobia?

"I still despise it..." - you seriously did not understand that statement? And you took it to mean his own INTERNALIZED struggle?

Did you read the whole blog post? Right after that paragraph he talks about the dichotomy between his inner emotional struggle and his explicit thoughts.

> More importantly, it helped me identify the boundary between my intellect and my emotions. Like most white people who are questioned, I am quick to say, “I don’t have problems with homosexuals, one of my best friends is a lesbian.” For me that is sincerely true. I have managed, however, to reconcile the differences of my mind and my heart to maintain what I think is and hope will continue to be a close personal friendship. Indeed, it is through the lasting nature of that friendship that my emotional core is changing. I changed my mind a long time ago.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by 8note » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

myfavoritedog wrote: post #685

Macha wrote: post #439

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China vs the Uighurs and Tibetans? India vs Pakistanis? Pakistan vs Indians? Russia vs Chechnya? Spain vs the Basque people? Canada in the 80s vs native people (we had an article just the other day)? The US vs black people? Plenty of countries get criticised for their treatment of minorities when they do something wrong.

You're making my point. China is literally wiping out the Uighurs. There's no hair-splitting or propagandizing about it. They're committing actual genocide. But besides a few mentions here and there, the international community is doing nothing about it. If it were at all proportional, the stories and condemnation should be in the news every day. But instead, we see more media coverage in a single day of Israel's cou…

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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by 8note » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

joelbluminator wrote: post #242

door101 wrote: post #164

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> Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Because it’s a colonial ethnostate, with massive support from the United States. Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist. Palestine is not an ethnostate, it is the name for the multicultural, multi-ethnic state who rightfully control…

> colonial A colony of what empire exactly? Jews were a group of massacred refugees. > massive support from the United States There is no massive support from the United States actually, at least not monetary. There is military help that is needed because Israel's enemies want to destroy it, still to this day. And it's not that big compared to Israel's gdp (4 billion to 400 gdp = 1%) and is completely meaningless to…

Land in the US is slowly being returned to native American groups.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by polka_haunts_us » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

fighterpilot wrote: post #735

metalliqaz wrote: post #310

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if you hang around long enough, you can watch the woke eat the woke. what is "pure" changes, and some who have delighted in getting scalps in the past will have theirs taken by someone else once the goalposts change. i'm thinking there is a decent chance trans-racialism will eventually become woke

What do you mean by "trans-radicalism will eventually become woke"? EDIT misread "racialism" as "radicalism"

Trans-Racialism, I assume they mean ala Rachel Dolezal.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by thu2111 » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:05 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #492

whimsicalism wrote: post #286

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The people change defense obviously doesn't work for Damore, who was fired over his actions while employed at Google Lots of weird comments in this thread.

Yeah, I don't have a very strong opinion on Damore, but the two situations are clearly not the same. One was published 14 years ago and another was published in the same week where it blew up.

They're clearly not the same because Damore said nothing anywhere near as offensive as this. He said, paraphrased, that there are fewer women in tech than men because they are less interested in it. He backed it up with a whole pile of research showing that this obviously true claim is true. And he pointed out that women are biologically different to men, so maybe that is part of the explanation, and even if it is, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to be a programmer (which is in a sense a tautology, it's a way of saying "women are different because they're women").

In particular he bent over backwards to carefully spell out that he was not claiming women are worse at programming than men, perhaps because he knew the dangerous liars he was picking a fight with would also lie about his words - which they did, immediately, across the entire media and with vigor. Damore also tried to keep these views inside the company.

Now this guy made very explicitly offensive comments broadcast to the whole world on his blog, which claims that all Jewish people are the same, that by implication they are morally inferior to people whose hearts are not filled with war, and that they should feel guilt and shame about this.

No comparison, indeed.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by kazinator » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:05 PM UTC

dougmwne wrote: post #787

kache_ wrote: post #716

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My whole twitter account is 100% only recruiter bait. I cycle my reddit nicks every 2 months or so. I've cleaned out everything that I've posted as a teenager (even though I am a sensible person) Not taking any chances. Saw the writing on the wall with Damore. I should probably axe this nick but I've grown fond of its upvotes. So whatever :P Always assume you've been dox'd.

Once we get reliable deep learning recognition of writing styles we are well and truly fucked.

At least momentarily, until we get deep-learning-driven permutation of writing style.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by ALittleLight » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

insickness wrote: post #758

lalaland1125 wrote: post #403

The main thing I find odd about that person's blog post ( https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau... ) is that it also doesn't really make any sense mechanically. The first five paragraphs are all comments on how it must be difficult for a progressive Jew to simultaneously support progressive values and Israel > If I were a Jew today, my sensibilities would be tormented. I would find it increasin…

> If I were a Jew I would be concerned about my insatiable appetite for war and killing in defense of myself. This is the only line in the blog post that can be construed as antisemitic rather than a criticism of Israel. It would not be antisemitic if he had stated the opinion: "Israel has an insatiable appetite for war and killing in defense of itself." I used to be involved in the Palestine Liberation movement and…

"Why were you fired?"

"I used the wrong word once in a deleted personal blog post from 14 years ago."

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by throwkeep » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

thelopa wrote: post #723

throwkeep wrote: post #306

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It's worse than that, only the purest of the pure can be employed. Look at Apple's recent mob firing of Antonio García Martínez. Who made the mistake of writing a best selling and critically acclaimed book just 5 years ago. Featured as one of NPR's best books of the year, recommended by NYT, Washington Post, etc. But now it's suddenly a fireable offense. “An irresistible and indispensable 360-degree guide to the new…

“Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit. They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they’d become precisely the sort of useless baggage you’d trade for a box of shotgun shells or a jerry can of diesel.” “PMMess,…

Out of context excerpts from a 500 page book written in the style of Hunter S. Thompson is not compelling evidence to anyone but the mob and those seeking to be offended. People who have actually read the book don't find them to be so problematic, including the reviewers at New York Times, NPR, Washington Post, Techcrunch and others who gave the book a big thumbs up.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by 8note » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #262

myfavoritedog wrote: post #210

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it’s a colonial ethnostate Palestine is not an ethnostate That's a strange view on the situation. Let's say I give you a choice. 1. Be a practicing Jew living in Palestinian-controlled territory. 2. Be a practicing Muslim living in Israel. I'd definitely choose 2, choosing 1 would be suicide. who rightfully controls the area occupied by Israel The Jewish people were the indigenous people of that territory. In what wa…

> The Jewish people were the indigenous people of that territory. In what way do they not rightfully control and occupy Israel? When? The region of Palestine was majority Muslim when Israel was founded. That your ancestors lived in a region doesn't give you any rights to it. If anyone has a birthright to a region, it's those who were born there and no one else.

Why would Israel's founding matter then?

What matters is who's being born there now, not where your grandparents were born

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by olivermarks » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 7:13 PM UTC

sm4rk0 wrote: post #764

olivermarks wrote: post #697

A major reason why today's politicians are so bland and uninspiring is because they have been groomed to never say anything controversial or contentious. Trawling through adults adolescence photos and shaming/blaming them for some youthful indiscretion is another aspect of this societal disaster. The anti war candidate Tulsi Gabbard in the recent US election is an example of someone relentlessly ridiculed and destroy…

And if there was a referendum: "Political correctness should be dismantled", I guess most people would vote "Hell yeah!". So much for democracy.

I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting 'political correctness' - a relatively new term and phenomenon largely enabled by the internet - was something installed by society and is a good thing, and that a vote to 'dismantle' it would be a bad thing?