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Post by dghlsakjg »

lazyjones wrote: post #218
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Having a trustworthy election process might go a long way (voter ID, regular verification when doubts arise etc.). As a European I find the images from Georgia's vote counting absolutely astonishing.

Don't confuse people saying a process is untrustworthy, with the process being untrustworthy.

Despite claims of massive voter/election fraud and massive incentive to find it, no credible law enforcement or media agency has been able to prove it at a scale that matters. Maybe a couple hundred fraudulent votes have been proven across the country.

There is just no credible evidence

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Post by baud147258 »

dhruvkar wrote: post #47

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

I think there had been some frauds, but even without any fraud (from either side), the result would have been the same.

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Post by proc0 »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

One side does not want to hear the other side's version. Communication did not happen because: 1) cancel culture 2) snowflake culture 3) main stream media bias, completely shutting down one side, and lying often

There has been a huge decline in how people are able to deal with uncomfortable conversations, so it's not surprising there is widespread confusion and frustration.

We're all somewhat guilty of sometimes not communicating perfectly, but which culture over the past four years promoted censorship? which culture promoted shutting people up and demonizing them? We will see these times very differently in the near future, I think.

edit: and of course this gets downvoted lol. When are we ever going to at least start listening without visceral emotional reactions, I wonder.

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Post by willis936 »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #724
ineedasername wrote: post #358

This is what happens when a country's leaders actively dog whistle an incitement to violence and others hitch their political future to fiction & propaganda instead of fact.

Anyone with a brain knew this was coming. Honestly it's shocking how many on HN try to defend it. This isn't a republican or democrat issue anymore after what Pence and McConnell said today. The man is a tyrant, and we should all be thankful it is not far, far worse than this.

My nuclear family has been panicking about this day for months. I’ve assured them a coup is infeasible because Trump is incompetent. I have tried to get them to appreciate CGPGrey’s Rules for Rulers. Trump is too short sighted to realize that he needs to keep the keys to power happy. The military leaders will be happy to see him go.

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Post by intended »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

> Politicization of media outlets

Start there, since that is the historic start point.

Many of these things are side effects of how networks of people propagate information, and where the people can be co-opted using specifically coded content.

The rest of it can also be seen as a trade off between 1-on-1 communication and Many-to-Many communications + speed of interaction.

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Post by dillondoyle »

bumbada wrote: post #527
dhruvkar wrote: post #47

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

There is no argument here. The fact is that you should never let electronic voting machines ever in the first place. I went crazy the first time I saw them in the US long time ago and said: "this is the end of democracy" You should only count physical ballots in front of someone that represents all the parties. As an engineer I can not trust them. There are 20 different ways I can cheat using those machines, from net…

Are there any voting machines that actually SOLELY tabulate electronically that don't have a paper record?

I believe they all print out a ballot or receipt that records the vote and those are what are counted/scanned and or can be in verifications/recounts

(maybe i can't think of an example let me know if so i would also agree that not having a paper record is bad but i dont think it exists).

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Post by dillondoyle »

huntermeyer wrote: post #593
dhruvkar wrote: post #47

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

I don't believe it was stolen. I think we should be able to see how our vote was recorded. The whole system is based on trust. Right now that trust is being threatened (eroded?). Since there isn't a way to individually inspect the system, we have to rely on the word of others to validate it. The government doesn't always act in the best interest of the populace and often outright lies to it. This begs the question, s…

Become a poll watcher. Pretty much every single vote is viewed by an election worker (or three), one Republican, one Democrat. Sometimes other parties.

And this year many counts were filmed and streamed live because some Republicans complained that 6 feet was too far away with COVID - that challenge got thrown out in court.

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Post by herewulf »

baybal2 wrote: post #368
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

> How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more? No, that has nothing to do with it. Take a look on wide base social polls across Western countries. The seemingly "extreme" ri…

> people of Schleswig still tell of icy silence.

They do? I've spent time in both Kiel and Flensburg and I've seen no indication that anyone would prefer Danish rule. It seems a moot point today with the EU anyway.

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Post by Auracle »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

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