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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Yes, but so does Chrome. In that regard, Firefox is not a worse option, just equally suboptimal.

Signing is pretty important. Without signing anybody could surreptitiously replace your addon with something else.

How so? Either they already have access to my computer, in which case browser addons are the least of my concerns, or they've compromised Mozilla in some way in which case who's to say they can't sign their fake addon too?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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> I think you're giving them too much credit, bordering on a conspiracy theory. There's no way they knew all of this would happen and that they would now be in the position to dictate the plug-ins we use. Think about it. The time when Chrome came around, Firefox was poised to become the dominant player in the market, barring Safari, which was big on mobile but small on traditional desktops. To some extent, Mozilla de…

Alternate motivation: People stay engaged on the web more when pages are faster. One thing that makes pages faster is a faster browser. When people stay engaged on the web more, Google makes more money. Chrome's initial big selling point was being faster. Disclaimer: ex-googler.

The investment in speed and other user benefits was a loss-leader for the goal of increased control. The speed and other benefits were indeed a net positive for users (and motivated Mozilla to focus on performance in Firefox) but they were investment made for payoff.

You've said it yourself: "the big selling point was being faster."

And yes, there is obviously some marginal value for Google in simply making web experience as fast as possible because it keeps people using the web. But that extended web use is of no good to them if users are doing so at non-Google properties that don't see Google ads, so it seems implausible that control was not a key motivator.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I have been using Firefox, and only Firefox, on the desktop since before Firefox 1.5 (released in 2005) and Firefox has had plenty of performance issues over the years and still have some. The performance issues still reaming after the Quantum release are mostly caused by shitty websites who only optimize their crappy code just enough for it to work in Chrome. A couple of culprits which slow down my browser significantly are Trello and Twitch. Another issue is that 3D acceleration does not work well on Linux so it is disabled by default and often cannot be enabled without compromising the stability.

Before Quantum on the other hand I had to regularly restart Firefox since it seemed to slow down over time and hog all of my CPU no matter if I had many or few tabs and no matter if I closed tabs so I am not surprised many got burned by Firefox and how it could not handle today's bloated websites until Quantum. The UI also got jankier and jankier the more CPU Firefox started using.

Chrome probably has had its own performance issues but I cannot comment on them since I have not used it much other than on mobile.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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> smaller players to come together and form an open-source working group based on a chromium fork Google can and does use DRM to block even this from happening: https://blog.samuelmaddock.com/posts/google-widevine-blocked... Even Mozilla needed to license Widevine from Google to support modern video: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm Based on the policy evidenced in Maddock's post, it seems impossible t…

Crack the DRM and do it in a country that does not care about DMCA and has lax copyright laws. You could create an "illegal browser", and judging by how effective all the other antipiracy efforts have been to date (i.e. not at all), I doubt you'll face too much opposition...

Or go the "insert DeCSS here" route that some used back when that was a thing. "If you happen to have somehow acquired a WideVine lib, having hash [some string], stick it here if you want to watch Netflix."

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

Firefox has several experience-breaking bugs for me. One where on websites that don't explicitly set their form background to white, which is the default on most browsers, Firefox paints them the color of the user's desktop theme, even when the theme is dark. Black text on black background. This bug had been known about for almost 20 years and is marked "won't fix" because the devs still assert that universal user th…

I am unable to reproduce either of your bugs on mac. I've never had firefox ignore a "force" reload in over 10 years of using the browser, and despite having the "dark" theme running, going to mozilla.com shows a white background just fine.

I am running nightly

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

#818

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

There are still issues with Firefox but you are correct about people maybe not knowing. I tried it a few years ago before the speed update and it felt unusable. Nowadays it's a little more sluggish than chrome on certain things (JIRA for one) which perhaps is just a result of people optimizing SPA for chrome.

It is VERY important for people to give things a try with and without a proper ad blocker. Any browser gets WAY slower and buggier when it has to deal with the nutty page takeovers with autoplay videos and javascript running.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

#819
This just means that ad blockers will need to work with a natively-installed proxy.

Remember, with https you can install a certificate and man-in-the-middle yourself. This is how tools like Fiddler and Charles allow inspecting and debugging HTTPS.

In this case, a natively-installed proxy can deny requests to blacklisted domains.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Firefox doesn't even properly support hardware acceleration in Linux.

This is a rather ambiguous and incorrect statement. Hardware acceleration of some things is disabled by default because of a security issue related to the way X11 works (it's complicated but in short, one window can "see through" to another window--even if it's an entirely different app). You can re-enable it via the prefs (forget the name but it's under "Performance") or just toggle `layers.acceleration.force-enable…

Firefox on Linux absolutely does not support hardware accelerated video playback

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210726

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