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Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by oatmealsnap »

rwhitman wrote: post #511
ynniv wrote: post #143

Apple has replaced the MacBook Pro with a faster MacBook Air labeled "Pro". I have no idea how they could think that professionals would use a MacBook Air (no ports, shallow keyboard, no expansion, no innovative features, marginally lighter). A tiny ribbon display is completely useless to me. They removed the escape key. Twenty years of using Macs and I'm not sure what my next laptop is going to be.

I get the sense that there is a movement inside Apple right now to abandon the professional market. Everything they've released lately for pros has been half-hearted at best. I'm getting increasingly concerned that one day soon they will drop Mac OS products altogether and just leave us to the wolves

It just seems like their definition of "pro" has changed.

It used to be video professionals and graphic designers. Now it's developers and web designers. Developers don't need SD slots or a screaming GPU (although you can never go wrong with a better GPU). I worked off of a 2012 MBA with an external display for years, and it still fits the bill! Light enough to carry around between work, home, and coffee shops, powerful enough to run a local web server and all the apps I used for development and 2-3 screens, and enough battery life to get a day's worth of work done.

Apple will never drop MacOS or their Pro level computers because their Pro line is what makes their iOS App Store revenue. Their definition of "pro" is just going to be less video-centric, and more developer-centric.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by ajeet_dhaliwal »

cooper12 wrote: post #757
stemuk wrote: post #424

How come all that complaining and rambling about the missing upgrades for the iMac or Mac mini? I really think that Apple did a great job at evolutionally improving the MacBook Pro under the hood, and the TouchBar seems to be a really usefull addition for creative professionals. Quite a fraction of the HN community really seems to enjoy complaining about what possibly could have been, rather than just beeing happy ab…

HN just loves to be anti-Apple so they can say they aren't sheeple. Every keynote thread here has had comments about how Apple stopped innovating after Steve Jobs. And yet every year they still somehow innovate. Comments like that show how deep HN has fallen into the cult of personality, that they actually believed it was Steve who was coming up with all of these ideas. So much for not being sheeple ;).

I don't think this is fair. There are features many devs care about that going away. Everything soldered to the board meaning nothing can be upgraded, no increases in ram (which is fixed and makes this even worse), getting rid of ports that people use, now a touch bar that does not appeal to touch typists, and then to top it off a huge jacking up of prices .

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by EpicEng »

mherrmann wrote: post #184

The touch bar is going to be really useful for a file manager I'm developing [1]. Traditionally, such file managers use function keys for common tasks (eg. copy with F5). On Mac, you have to press Fn to get the function keys, which is very inconvenient. Now my users can use the traditional key bindings _and_ remember them more easily! [1]: https://fman.io

Nice plug. Why wouldn't people be able to remap the keys as they like? Using the function keys for common shortcuts seems wrong.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by mixmastamyk »

davesque wrote: post #107

Ironically, I feel that the touch bar just makes it more glaringly obvious that the screen itself is not a touch screen. It invites you to expect that you can interact with your computer via touch. I'm sure there are going to be a lot of people who go right from tapping some icon on the touch bar to mistakenly tapping a close button on the actual display. Seems like a UX failure.

With the touch bar next to the keyboard however, you don't have to raise your arms up to the main screen. It may make sense on that level.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by mixmastamyk »

msie wrote: post #663
msie wrote: post #217

Does it have user-serviceable memory? I doubt it.

Really? -4 points? Valid question since I have a Macbook Pro from 2012 which does have user-serviceable memory. "Pro" should count for something.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/10/apple-quietly-kills-non...

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by bby »

apple has fucked up with this mbp. I am going full custom laptop now, one that I have designed myself with linux. as a developer, the touch bar, lack of USBs/HDMI/ports is unacceptable. I quit. I just destroyed my iphone 7, threw away my ipad, and am s*mizing my old ipod right now.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by greatest-ape »

Wow, people are getting very emotional about this. You know, Apple doesn't have an obligation to create the perfect product for your unique snowflake use case. And you don't have an obligation to buy any of their products either. Like, what are you people expecting from Apple?

A few thoughts of mine:

Pros: - Beautiful, thin, lighter design - Great screen (could of course have been even better) - Fast enough processor for most pro tasks - Judging by Apple's history, very good build quality - Up to 10 hours of battery life - A great OS mixing UNIX and support for professional programs

Neutral: - Touch Bar: might be amazing, might just be an irritation. We don't know yet. I for one think it could be nice for music production and DJing, but likely not for programming. A few people actually use the function keys a lot. As before, they will be available while pressing the fn key. But people might want real keys. Since I use vim a lot, it's irritating that the Esc key won't necessarily always be where I expect it to. Sure, it will be available in the terminal, but in IntelliJ with the vim plugin? I might have to remap Esc to Caps Lock. An irritation but not a major deal breaker for most people. - Only thunderbolt ports. I think this is the right move and in line with expected Apple behavior, but I guess some people want to be able to simply connect old/current generation USB peripherals without any adapters - No more MagSafe. - Faster AMD graphics. This is of course nice, except for CUDA people and people who want to install Linux on their MacBooks (but seriously, why would you want to do that?) Also, positive: good support for external screens. But only for certain ones? I'm not sure about this, has anyone figured out exactly what screens can be used? - New keyboard, which some people will like and some won't.

Negative: - Maximum of 16 GB of RAM, wtf? This is the only major deal breaker I see that applies to many people. - Hefty price. But we're talking about Apple here, folks. Pay to play

To conclude, a great but expensive premium notebook with the major flaw of being limited to 16 GB of RAM. If you really need CUDA support, real function keys or have to be able to plug in various peripherals without adapters, this might not be the right computer for you.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by appleiigs »

dguaraglia wrote: post #410

As a heavy Vim user, this might be my last Apple development machine. I can always remap Caps Lock to Esc, but years of muscle memory > a flashy feature I have little use for. There's nothing I'd pay extra for in this new machine: touchbar is a meh, biometric authentication has been around since ~2005, the hardware specs are finally catching up with what everyone else has been shipping for a couple years, the new key…

Esc is used heavily in Excel too. I use Excel all day at work, then Vim at night for my hobby.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by omnimus »

valine wrote: post #354
dmritard96 wrote: post #297

Anybody know what software is used for the design renders/exploded views? Keyshot, Maya, Blender, something else?

I'd be more interested in which render engine was used. The animation portion could be easily be done in any of the software you memetioned. My guess would renderman due to apples relationship with Pixar, but that's complete speculation.

Its unlikely pixar is involved. It can be realy anything. But it has nice realistic atmosphere at times. Looks very unbiased. I would guess Arnold because unbiased would take too much time and Arnold just has that real vibe without being too slow.
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