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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by 7sigma » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:04 AM UTC

stickfigure wrote: post #589

jmyeet wrote: post #214

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There are 4 players in this war and they all have very different goals and "victory" conditions. 1. Israel wants to ruin Iran permanently, to turn it into Somalia 2.0, meaning a quasi-state with no organized, central government. Were they to succeed in this it would be a humantarian disaster the likes of which we haven't seen since probably WW2. Tens of millions of refugees that will probably collapse surrounding cou…

> Iran no longer trusts the US as a good faith actor and negotiator Iran ("the regime") was never a good faith actor or negotiator. Their position was something like "we won't develop nuclear weapons as long as we have free reign to torture our own citizens and fund violent groups that destabilize regional governments". And still marched on enriching uranium anyway. There's nothing to trust on either side. This war w…

The war absolutely did not need to happen. Iran was not pursuing a nuclear weapon and was fully complying with the jcpoa. It's mostly the US and Israel that have acted I'm bad faith.

Most countries in the region torture their citizens, even Israel except it's Palestinians, because it's a racist apartheid state.

Let's not pretend we care about funding terrorists when it's the US that has the biggest supporter of terrorism in the last 70 years.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by verzali » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:07 AM UTC

markovs_gun wrote: post #509

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #359

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Exactly what happens to me in Kerbel Space Program. Rescue team for the rescue team.

The first time I ever attempted a rescue mission in KSP, I ended up stranding 5 different kerbals in various orbita nearby trying to get the first one, and of course every one was a bigger and more complicated craft trying to save as many kerbals as possible. Eventually I just gave up and put a giant cross memorial in orbit, part as a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion, and part as a memorial to the like 6 kerbals…

Kerbals don't need food or water and can live forever on a limited air supply. I once rescued a kerbal who got stuck around their equivalent of Venus for multiple years. So it's all fine, they'll patiently wait...

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by Saline9515 » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:14 AM UTC

mrits wrote: post #738

Saline9515 wrote: post #469

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Have you considered not providing intel to Irak to allow them to use sarin gas against the Iranians? Or overthrowing their democratic regime that wanted an audit to understand how much of its oil was stolen by US companies? Or designating it as the "Axis of Evil" and sanctioning it after that it helped you invade Afghanistan? Or assassinating their religious leader during negociations? Iran didn't become skeptic abou…

Did the other 10 countries Iran bomb do the same thing or are you poor guys just misunderstood?

Iran sent missiles to countries hosting US military assets. I think that it's quite clear why they do it, unlike the US. They had also warned before hand that it would happen in the case of a US unprovoked aggression.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by verzali » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:16 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #755

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> ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not How spicy of a debate is that really? How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?

> How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea? Almost every single Iranian in the diaspora. And every person who heard Iran chant Death To America while building a nuclear program and a ballistic missile program.

Way to go proving Iran right. Who wouldn't want to eliminate a nation that bombs and kills your civilians?

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by ulrischa » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:21 AM UTC

There were thousands of iranian jets shot down but the worlds go crazy when a single us jetzt was shot down

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by TiredOfLife » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:22 AM UTC

hajile wrote: post #696

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You can't compare time, you need to compare sorties. There were only 5900 F15 sorties during the gulf war. It's not clear how many of the 8000 combat sorties sorties flown so far in the Iran war are with F15s, but it's almost certainly several thousand. Overall during the gulf war coalition forces suffered 52 fixed wing aircraft lost in combat over approximately 116,000 combat sorties. Given Iran ought to have far be…

Look at the super-precise strike on the E-3 sentry that we have pictures of. We know at least one other was hit. If Iran can do this with AWACS, they can do even more with the hundreds of fighter jets in Israeli and US bases (it's much easier to cover up the destruction of an F-15 or F-35). Once this war ends, I think we'll see that most of the aircraft kills are going to be on the ground.

That E-3 sentry was stationary on the ground.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by thorio » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:23 AM UTC

ulrischa wrote: post #805

There were thousands of iranian jets shot down but the worlds go crazy when a single us jetzt was shot down

Your English is good, but the (probably smartphone keyboard) typo revealed you :-).

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by toasty228 » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:26 AM UTC

qup wrote: post #600

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Lmao everytime that number is posted it's multiplied by 3. I even read 150 000 dead last week

I've heard 40,000 since it happened. But sounds like you're saying it decreased since last week.

Do they come from non .il domain name?

If you have independent numbers feel free to share them, otherwise it's straight up propaganda from either Israel or the US and I trust none of these two given the context

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by gherkinnn » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:30 AM UTC

swyx wrote: post #392

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Unless I missed something, Only Hegseth was promising no quarter (ie war crimes)

he what? this is on the record?

From 2024:

"In 2024’s The War on Warriors, Hegseth argues at length that US forces should ignore the Geneva conventions and other elements of international law governing the conduct of war."

“'What if we treated the enemy the way they treated us?” he asks. “Would that not be an incentive for the other side to reconsider their barbarism? Hey, Al Qaeda: if you surrender, we might spare your life. If you do not, we will rip your arms off and feed them to hogs.'”

He wrote a book in which he openly advocates for war crimes. Maybe, just maybe, it pays to believe him.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/25/pete-hegseth...

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by jmward01 » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 7:34 AM UTC

solid_fuel wrote: post #491

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Downvoters, care to explain? Seriously, it's been sitting on this for entire month and now, all of a sudden, rolled out antiaircraft defense? What's going on?

If you want a real explanation, this is how defensive wars against an overwhelming opponent are fought. Iran knows that they can't build an iron-clad air defense perimeter, there still isn't a reliable answer against stealth aircraft and cruise missiles. They never had a chance of shooting down every plane that enters their airspace, and that isn't their goal . Instead, they will fight this war by absorbing blow afte…

I'd argue there is a 3) show other gulf nations that the US can't defend them. They are doing a pretty reasonable job of that right now too considering the infra that is being destroyed daily. The real question is what are their goals and what do they stand to gain? A new list may be:

1) Stay in power. They really were pretty destabilized before this. This war may actually be propping up their government because hitting a bully, despite what the movies say, just gives them more power. Reporting from inside the country is sparse, but it seems like the few stories coming out aren't showing the same level of internal unrest that was there a month ago. This objective seems on track.

2) Increase their influence in the region. This is likely happening by the minute mainly by the fact that the US is losing influence in the region the longer this goes on. The US's loss is Iran's gain. I suspect that actual negotiations are happening in secret between Iran and gulf nations that will have long term consequences. I don't know that this objective is on track, it will take years to see, but if I were betting long term I would bet that Iran in 5-10 years will have much more influence in the region than they had a month ago.

3) Harm the US and Israel. Spain is getting almost hostile and we have a lot of US assets there. Pretty much every country on the planet is turning their back on the US openly. The most 'help' the US has gotten is basing from the UK and, of course, gulf nations supporting strikes. Israel is going to loose military aid for decades and potentially more after this administration leaves. This objective seems on track too.

I honestly don't know how Iran could get a better outcome than what is happening right now. By the end of this they will look rational compared to the US, the rhetoric of the last 50 years will look vindicated giving them increased influence and access in the region and a new generation of extremists will have been created. This has the makings of becoming one of the worst blunders in military history.