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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by DASD »

tasn wrote: post #701
DASD wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MQ-9s are ~$30 million USD and are strike capable.

Sure. But looking at all of the downed Israeli crafts, they are all $2-5m drones (all 18 of them). For perspective: Patriot missiles cost $4m each.

The two(2) H450s are in that unit cost range. The others and the Heron variants range to $40 million. A not insignificant number of Iranian aircraft(such as the US-produced F-5s and C-130s acquired before 1979's Revolution) are low unit costs comparably to the UAVs("drones") lost here.

Attrition compared to US materiel(not material - although that too greatly burdens cost to the US) depletion such as the aforementioned Patriot does not favor the US for sustained operations in theater(let alone should a second theater contingency operation occur).

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by budududuroiu »

roncesvalles wrote: post #730
eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

If you're asking in good faith, Israel isn't attacking Iran to play world police. Israel has been under constant attack from Iran-backed proxies. As for why Iran backs these proxies, the answer boils down to pure fanaticism. For a fanatic-led state to possess nukes is a dangerous situation and it's worth it for Israel to try and prevent it. As for why America is involved in a conflict between Israel and Iran, it's be…

> For a fanatic-led state to possess nukes is a dangerous situation and it may be worth it to try and prevent it.

So, when are we bombing Israel to prevent the world being held hostage by nuke-wielding religious fanatics?

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Post by sawjet »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #186
isubkhankulov wrote: post #110

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The crew of the IRIS Dena were warned twice by the US to abandon ship according to a report from one of the sailor’s father. They refused. Not sure if it’s possible to treat enemies better than that. And I doubt the Iranians will treat a US pilot well. Look at how they treat their own citizens.

The ship was an unarmed vessel on its way to a goodwill visit to Sri Lanka and coming from an international maritime exercise hosted by India, which the United States also attended and participated in. The US torpedoed it, and when it sank, the US did not apparently attempt to rescue any of the Dena's crew. Fortunately, Sri Lanka showed up and saved 30 people. Mind you, the details of war are not always clear. The US…

If you think a warship is ever 'unarmed' I have a bridge to sell you.

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Post by lejalv »

So how is this not flagged, whereas this other post lasted literally minutes before being flagged? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612053

75000+ palestinians killed, arguably one of the defining crimes of our age are not worth HN discussion (“politics”) but one F15E shot down in a war of choice is (apparently, “tech”)?

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Post by MarchApril »

zaelochi wrote: post #333

Average comments sentiment when an American is caught having killed a clerk during a robbery: hope they fry him on the chair Average comments sentiment when an American is caught while bombing bridges and elementary schools: poor thing hope they treat him well

I'm sure many Japanese watching the Pearl Harbor movie didn't want the American pilots to survive after nuking 2 cities either.

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zaelochi wrote: post #333

Average comments sentiment when an American is caught having killed a clerk during a robbery: hope they fry him on the chair Average comments sentiment when an American is caught while bombing bridges and elementary schools: poor thing hope they treat him well

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Post by mrits »

Saline9515 wrote: post #469
mrits wrote: post #430

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Have you considered not providing intel to Irak to allow them to use sarin gas against the Iranians? Or overthrowing their democratic regime that wanted an audit to understand how much of its oil was stolen by US companies? Or designating it as the "Axis of Evil" and sanctioning it after that it helped you invade Afghanistan? Or assassinating their religious leader during negociations? Iran didn't become skeptic abou…

Did the other 10 countries Iran bomb do the same thing or are you poor guys just misunderstood?

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Post by smackeyacky »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #398
varispeed wrote: post #354

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If everyone is somewhat implicated in Epstein files, then everyone is afraid of Putin / Netanyahu who might pull up the files. It's funny how they are so scared to face justice, but also interesting how American law enforcement became so corrupt. Protecting pedos on such a scale?

There's a very strange problem with this whole thing where, of course, whatever these powerful people have done behind closed doors that is illegal and exploitative and harmful is terrible and they should be put to justice. However, if the direction of the country is being seriously altered via blackmail, IMO that is many orders of magnitude worse than anything they could have done. Like we are currently bombing yet…

You don’t need a jubilee. At this point Trump could release a video of himself eating a crying baby and his supporters simply will ignore it.

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Post by ajross »

orwin wrote: post #718
ajross wrote: post #543

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> By that same logic that fact that we only lost 1 F-15 in, what, almost 3 weeks of bombing is actually a pretty good sign. "Good sign" of what, though? Air superiority? I guess, sure. But we've constructed a strategic situation for ourselves where mere air superiority is losing . The straight remains closed. Because let's be blunt: if we can't reliably fly a F-15E or A-10 in the region, there's no way an oil company…

The toll is cheap I think, between one and two dollar a barrel, so less than 2 million per boat. Honestly a good price to end the war.

In a practical sense, from the perspective of the world as a whole, sure. It's also true that it leaves Iran in a much more powerful position than they held before the war[1]. So it's a "loss", strategically.

It's uncomfortable to admit given the context, but the truth is that the Islamic Republic of Iran really is a terrible state, both to its own people and its neighbors, and a much wealthier Iran represents a genuine threat to world peace on its own.

[1] To wit: "This is Our Water now. Pay us what we want. Don't like it? Come bomb us again and see how your oil markets like that. We can take it. You soft infidels can't, and we proved that already. Now it's $4/barrel, btw." Imagine that delivered on Truth Social for more ironic impact. It's Trump bluster, but with actual teeth.

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