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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by nunez »

davkan wrote: post #578
nunez wrote: post #294

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I don't think a cloud provider that is _just_ a cloud provider exists. All of the cloud providers I can think of (AWS, GCP, Azure, Oracle Cloud, IBM Cloud, Baidu, etc) are subsidiaries of larger corporations whose profit centers are elsewhere. The capital requirements needed to spin up a public cloud and the services that come with that are absolutely massive. It makes me think that cloud computing, despite the gigan…

For what it’s worth, Amazon’s largest profit center is AWS. Likewise for Microsoft and Azure.

That's the case now, yes. However, EC2 and S3 were started by using idle compute for .com, which they had boatloads of due to their size, and Windows Azure was originally meant to be an app hosting platform for .NET apps running on Windows.

The only other companies I can think of that tried being/are trying to be _just_ cloud provider are Rackspace (which has been barely hanging on as the CSPs are eating their lunch) and Hetzner (who seem to be doing okay), but both of these companies lean more towards "hosting provider" (i.e. renting compute is their business) rather than "cloud provider" (i.e. providing platforms for many use cases).

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by davkan »

nunez wrote: post #801
davkan wrote: post #578

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For what it’s worth, Amazon’s largest profit center is AWS. Likewise for Microsoft and Azure.

That's the case now, yes. However, EC2 and S3 were started by using idle compute for .com, which they had boatloads of due to their size, and Windows Azure was originally meant to be an app hosting platform for .NET apps running on Windows. The only other companies I can think of that tried being/are trying to be _just_ cloud provider are Rackspace (which has been barely hanging on as the CSPs are eating their lunch)…

Yes I agree there is no pure hosting/cloud company that comes close to the scale of the big 3 who also use their cloud infrastructure expertise and inventory to subsidize all the other parts of their businesses. Maybe it’s only possible to be reach the top if you already have all the money and infrastructure in the world, but just pointing out that for the top two cloud providers these platforms are at the core of their business and are their most profitable units.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by trymas »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #783
trymas wrote: post #722

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I am saying that for last 30 years actions of European NATO counterparts was not "undermining the relationship". Also since 2014 there was a 10 year plan devised to get everyone to strictly follow 2% budget commitment. Which happened before you and I even heard about trump starting a presidential campaign (or even if it was there was nothing about NATO, etc). This happened (better later than never) due to ruzzian att…

My understanding is that the 2% budget commitment was met or exceeded by all NATO countries only as late as 2025. The Obama administration ended in 2017. Europeans not taking care of themselves has been "undermining the relationship".

Plan started in 2014.

Also look yourself in a mirror as a country, because by how things are going - you need to prepare yourself for concentration camp.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by reactormonk »

nbardy wrote: post #624

They should probably fund their military first. It’s petulant the way the EU is throwing a hissy fit after we’ve had lop-sided trade deals for years and funding the entire NATO alliance ourselves. They act like we’re going to war with them when we’re asking for parity and for their self reliance to increase.

> They act like we’re going to war with them when we’re asking for parity and for their self reliance to increase.

Threatening to take over Greenland by force isn't considered "going to war" for you?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

worksonmine wrote: post #554
tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #527

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US perspective: EU looks like a great place to expand into once I've reached some critical size threshold. But I can't imagine starting a business there. In the US we have effectively limitless capital, tons of tech talent, and many fewer regulations. Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations.

> Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations. Sounds like you're doing some shady, disgusting bullshit or you're exaggerating the regulations. I hope it's the latter.

ok bro I think you might want come down off your high horse and mingle amongst the people again

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by worksonmine »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #805
worksonmine wrote: post #554

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> Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations. Sounds like you're doing some shady, disgusting bullshit or you're exaggerating the regulations. I hope it's the latter.

ok bro I think you might want come down off your high horse and mingle amongst the people again

I'm on a high horse because I like that the EU tries to regulate big tech? I wish they went further and actually enforced it. Some of you seem to live in a parallel universe.

Elaborate what's so bad about the EU instead of assuming who I am or how I live. I'm criticizing your ideas, not your person. Make some effort and do the same, "bro". Don't be such a stereotype.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by mlrtime »

JCattheATM wrote: post #796
mlrtime wrote: post #794

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Listen, Trump won almost every single demographic. His numbers increased % wise among them vs 2016. To claim it was all lies, racism and sexism is just wrong. Now you can claim that Trump is bad, we'd agree with you. We're saying it's VERY dangerous to state why people voted for him because it enables it to happen again! DO not double down on the mistakes of the Harris campaign again and then put fingers in your ears…

> Listen, Trump won almost every single demographic. His numbers increased % wise among them vs 2016. To claim it was all lies, racism and sexism is just wrong. I'm not claiming it was all that. For example, some people are single issue voters on abortion, so of course they are going to vote R. But a lot of people bought into the trans panic ads, the xenophobia, etc. > DO not double down on the mistakes of the Harris…

I don't know what to say then, just calling others misinformed isn't going to change anything.

Better luck next time then?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by JCattheATM »

mlrtime wrote: post #807
JCattheATM wrote: post #796

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> Listen, Trump won almost every single demographic. His numbers increased % wise among them vs 2016. To claim it was all lies, racism and sexism is just wrong. I'm not claiming it was all that. For example, some people are single issue voters on abortion, so of course they are going to vote R. But a lot of people bought into the trans panic ads, the xenophobia, etc. > DO not double down on the mistakes of the Harris…

I don't know what to say then, just calling others misinformed isn't going to change anything. Better luck next time then?

With the way the current administration is screwing things up, I don't think we'll need luck. Besides, with no cult leader to blindly follow, things will be drastically different.

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Post by wasabi991011 »

xp84 wrote: post #436
Propelloni wrote: post #418

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> Note that I'm not saying everyone should give the US a pass or maintain as much economic and defense dependency on the US. But I think it's hyperbolic to make all your long-term plans assuming something as stupid and self-defeating as his worst anti-ally policies are a new normal, because they harm the US at least as much as they harm everyone else, and everyone but those two knows this. It is debatable if everyone…

> After all, according to the last NYT poll the current POTUS commands an approval rating of 41 % in the USA. The number of people I meet who do not understand how tariffs work, for example, is staggering. For sure -- the bottom 41% of economic literacy are so misinformed that they have no clue what they're talking about. But those voters aren't picking the nominee for President from among a circus of general morons,…

> the party elites are [picking nominees], and the Republican Party elites are rich dudes who don't want to screw ourselves back to the stone age

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you seem to be claiming the rich Republican elites are not happy with Trump's economic policies. But then why did they support him so much during the reelection campaign and continue to support him throughout the Presidency?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by dleslie »

ben_w wrote: post #669
arjie wrote: post #535

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That is a sound point. I don't think your comment should be grey. In practice, I don't think geopolitics is played in the style of "Yurusenai!" that a lot of online commenters make it sound like. The world wasn't in some benevolent kumbaya between the various players involved here. America perhaps pioneered the mutual-defense agreement as an expansion of de-facto borders. America can attack you if you attack any of i…

Generally agree, but two thinks strike me: 1. Suez Canal: UK, France, and Israel attacked Egypt for control of that. This stopped very quickly once the USA threatened to turn off the money, and by some measures marks the point where the British Empire became obviously a paper tiger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis 2. Iraq/Afghanistan and Americans pretending to be Canadian: yes, I remember this too, but thi…

Kinda overlooking the fact that Lester B Pearson won the Nobel Peace Prize for his leadership in Canada's efforts to lead a neutral force to force peace in the Suez Canal.
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