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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by chasd00 »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #645
chasd00 wrote: post #154

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Yeah the F150 is a strange vehicle. It has a proven reputation as a blue collar workhorse. However, a fully loaded Raptor trim is a 6 figure price tag easy.

The price of a Raptor is hardly relevant to anyone looking for a work truck - do you think the Civic Type R price is relevant to most buyers of Civics? Or the Corvette ZR1X relevant to most Corvette buyers?

The point i wanted to make was that "Ford F150" means many and very different things, more so than your average vehicle. Even a Civic or Corvette.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

oconnore wrote: post #19
ChuckMcM wrote: post #6

https://archive.ph/k2S9O for those who have read their last free article. Interesting that Rivian seems to be doing fine in this space.

I was considering getting a Rivian and decided that in fact I would probably not allow the 24 year old dude at my local construction supply co to use a skid steer to drop a load of gravel into the bed of my $75k+ electric vehicle. So instead I got a used Ford F150 (gas) and when the skid steer guy drops gravel into the bed I feel fine.

Pro-tip: Rivians have a class V tow capability. Rent a dump trailer and let it take the damage. Both your wallet and back will thank you.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by Amezarak »

dpark wrote: post #796
Amezarak wrote: post #785

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Do you think suggesting people who do things you don’t like are just not as enlightened and rational as you a productive way to change hearts and minds?

Of course not. Probably more than 99% of online conversations are a complete and utter waste of time. I would assume there is literally nothing anyone could say to you that would make you get rid of your truck. With that said, you admitted with your first comment that buying these trucks is based on feelings and not rational. “Consumers buy what they like and feel like they need and can afford. They place an almost a…

It’s economically irrational for most people to live in anything but a one bedroom sublet. Why is it trucks that gets your goat?

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Post by NewJazz »

throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #763
NewJazz wrote: post #363

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Yeah but the R1S is a better pavement princess anyway, and that does sell well. I guess Mach-E beats even the R1S but they're not really the same kind of car. Ioniq 5 beats Mach E in CA, as does the MY.

my buddy sent me a video of him crawling some seriously sketchy trails in an R1T, I wouldn't describe those trucks as being "pavement princesses" or whatever

That's the point of the term pavement princess. They can be used in the way you describe. What makes them pavement princesses is that they aren't used in that way.

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #285
happyopossum wrote: post #111

So they’re not killing the lightning, they’re adding a range extender? I guess that’s not gonna get as many clicks, but it hardly seems controversial given market reception of the current lighting (basically everyone who wanted one bought one and then sales tanked).

Yes, they're killing the Lightning. They are replacing it with a new Lightning EREV, there will not be a BEV version. It's not just a new option they are bringing to the existing truck.

The EREV is a BEV. The EV in EREV means it will use a battery for the powertrain. No transmission on the engine.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by chickensong »

kalleboo wrote: post #631
chickensong wrote: post #445

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'99 F-150 with >250k on original engine and transmission here. Going to pick up 900 lbs of rock tomorrow. Suspension is pretty poor, but it still pulls hard under load. I'd like to upgrade to a newer model, but the '99 refuses to die.

> Going to pick up 900 lbs of rock tomorrow Is there any car that can't do that though? That's just the weight of 5 adults.

It feels heavier than that, so I looked it up and my memory was wrong, it's ~1400 lbs per scoop.

Anyway, my point is that it's been a surprisingly good vehicle that just keeps going. Throw some lumber on the rack after loading gravel, it doesn't care until the suspension starts bottoming out. It's not my first truck, and I'm not tied to any brand, but the overall experience has been so solid at high mileage, that it sets a bar for any future trucks.

I'm just a single data point, and I'm sure there are folks who've had poor experiences, but having owned many vehicles over the years, the F-150 feels particularly robust to me. Honda engines give me a similar feeling. As one commenter described "using in anger", there are some things that will take repeated abuse and just love it. Maybe I've been lucky, but in my limited experience, the F-150 has a well-deserved reputation.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by dpark »

Amezarak wrote: post #803
dpark wrote: post #796

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Of course not. Probably more than 99% of online conversations are a complete and utter waste of time. I would assume there is literally nothing anyone could say to you that would make you get rid of your truck. With that said, you admitted with your first comment that buying these trucks is based on feelings and not rational. “Consumers buy what they like and feel like they need and can afford. They place an almost a…

It’s economically irrational for most people to live in anything but a one bedroom sublet. Why is it trucks that gets your goat?

Because a 7 bedroom McMansion is unlikely to drive over my child in a parking lot or kill my wife in a collision. The dangers of these giant trucks are not hypothetical. It’s documented that they kill drivers of cars at 2.5x the rate of cars.

In terms of pure annoyance, the McMansion is also not using 3 parking spots at the grocery store.

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Post by km144 »

frumper wrote: post #708
brianwawok wrote: post #627

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Trick is the power wall will be there in 10 years. The truck may be traded in at 4. Car trade in speed is what makes that math not work.

Trading in your new car at 4 years old sounds like bad math no matter what car you buy.

Have you seen the prices of pre-owned Honda/Toyota sedans that are less than 5 years old? There are absolutely cars out there where trading in your new car after 3-4 years can make sense depending on the cost of the car, the depreciation curve, and whether you want to always be driving a relatively new car. Of course it's almost always going to be a better value proposition to drive the car for 10 years if you can, but that can still depend on depreciation.

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Post by interestpiqued »

hamdingers wrote: post #794
theshrike79 wrote: post #559

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I don't get the whole American thing for Pick-up trucks. Unless you're hauling hay or manure, why would you want your cargo area exposed to the elements? A normal van is better in every single way. I can't figure out why someone would put their expensive tools in a pick-up's bed when this is an option: https://modulinecabinets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/van-...

The auto industry has spent billions of dollars on propaganda to convince Americans they need a big truck for their self image. They have done this because big trucks are by far the most profitable segment of vehicle, and emissions regulations reward vehicles for being large.

I always find this talking point so weird. Trucks are great and people want them. There is no ultimate truth here where people can't see the light and evil corporations are making us buy trucks. Theyre making trucks because we want them. I love mine, and admittedly don't really "need" it.
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