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Re: Roomba maker goes bankrupt, Chinese owner emerges

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In theory, sure. In practice? Chinese companies ignore your patent, you waste money suing, it takes a long time. If you win? Good luck collecting damages from China, and have fun suing the next brand that starts selling the same machine in different plastic

Why isn't Amazon liable?

$ -> Lobbyists. Legal firepower.

Or, said another way: unwillingness to enforce.

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Oh, I know. The fact that it takes decades for that to come about is harmful to society.

You would prefer the inventor to be basically ensured of financial destruction and disincentivized in the first place, sounds great for society.

I'd say it might be time to talk about putting a pause on incentives to advance non-medical technologies at the moment.

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My dude I spied on the Chinese for a decade I know more about the Chinese than you’ll ever understand Let me be clear, the Han don’t care about anybody but the Han that’s a fact. What they do to Tibetans, Uighurs and Muslims is horrible and those repressions shouldn’t exist. However they pale and comparison into the historical horrific conditions of nonstop genocide from 1650 more or less until present day if you inc…

I love Hacker News because there are people smart enough to write passably well but insane enough to get to this sort of thing within two hops of discussing a vacuum maker going bankrupt. I won’t engage the insanity of calling anything we’re doing genocide (I guess we’re just really bad at it because the targeted populations are growing while we do it despite all our weaponry) because what’s the point? But if you thi…

Haha I love this response.

Yeah HN is a weird a place I’ve been messing on a long time.

I treat these discussions like if I was taking the hardest to defend positions.

Despite whatever you might think of Louis CK he taught me the idea that you try and lose the audience early snd then win them over then you have the best joke. I think it’s the same for intellectual sparring and I love causing chaos.

It’s a good critic in my actor-critic model. Plus I have an insane amount of experience so most of my ideas are kind of nested complexities and I don’t like to translate to college level.

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No, mopping is not for dust, but rather for sweaty/greasy/sticky matter that accumulates and can't be recovered by vacuuming. This is why proper cleaning is vacuuming + mopping, and it was like this before the invention of the cleaning robot. You can also mix a non-foaming detergent with the distilled water to have an even more thorough cleaning (or just ask the robot to pass more than once). Robot mops are typically…

so it's going back to square 1: sweaty/grease/sticky matter not going to be picked up 100% by mop after it was diluted by water. distilled water or not distilled water. this is why floor buffers exist. to buff the floor so it will be nice and shiny. professional car cleaning usually made with deionized water. much easier than bringing distillery. but even with usual water on my car there will be usually no marks afte…

> sweaty/grease/sticky matter not going to be picked up 100% by mop after it was diluted by water. distilled water or not distilled water

Most of it is picked up since it is retained by the mop, which the robot can then clean at the station.

And unless your flooring is made of mirrors, you'll hardly notice after two passes, or if you run a deep mopping mode, especially everyday. Tiled floor in houses is typically not mirror-like in order to absorb sound.

Most industrial robots cleaning shopping malls work like this and don't have additional equipment to wipe the water dry.

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What’s the basis for this claim except some ideology you possess?

In the sidebar of the Amazon website (which may vary by device/locale), I get Prime, Echo, Alexa, Fire TV/Tablets, Kindle, Audible listed before all other product categories. The special treatment so explicit, I didn't think anybody would even doubt it, but rather reply "duuuh, of course Amazon.com is for selling Amazon's own stuff". I'm a follower of Cory Doctorow's anti-enshittification ideology ( https://www.youtu…

That's not substantiating your initial goalpost. You suggested Amazon wouldn't make Roombas better simply because they can preferentially sell their products. First, empirically, that is false given all other hardware devices Amazon makes have improved over time and not particularly gotten more expensive.

Second, preferentially selling it on one retailer does not suddenly make all the competition go away. Amazon is not a retail monopoly or anywhere close to it despite Lina Khan's bullshit paper that went through some mental gymnastics to create that myth. If anything, the synergy with the retail storefront can reduce overhead and decrease prices to the consumer.

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According to the Financial Times, Roomba has sold more than 40 million robotic devices, most of them robotic vacuum cleaners.[a] Many of those vacuum cleaners have cameras, can move around on their own, and are connected to the Internet. If they're taken offline, they stop working. Many have microphones too. The new Chinese owner will get control of a network of tens of millions Internet-connected, autonomously mobil…

I would assume that 60-80% of these are now defunct. They break and even though they can be repaired (I did with my old one, so old it’s not even internet connected) people just don’t.

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given your requirements, I'd advice marriage.

I think anyone getting married with the intent of treating their spouse like a maid is in for a bad time with that whole "70% of marriages end in divorce" statistic.

Jokes aside, marriages don't fail because people assume roles in it, but because of stress, money, and lack of empathy and respect. I've literally met women who told me that if given the opportunity, they would not mind being housewives. Of course, this is not for everyone, but looking at what you were listing, and this is what it reminded me of.

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BEVs most certainly aren‘t. Chinese EVs are strongly competing on price. Based on my own experience with them (n=4). They are very good as a EV, solid as a rolling smartphone, but not leading as being a car. Given the choice, I still would prefer a BMW EV any day. However, batteries as a commodity are a good example where china is leading as volume and R&D leader

Try a larger n. They are more than capable. I have just looked at what BMW, Mercedes and Audi have on offer. Then compare what Zeekr and Xpeng has on offer (7X, G9). Quality wise they feel the same or even better. While I agree as a "complete car" the full package might not quite be there yet. But that is from a European perspective as they mostly are focused on their home markets. But this is changing. This is then…

I don‘t care all that much about cars, my n is soley based on the cars i got provided for business trips. One Xpeng (no clue which) was among thise vehicles.

The main problem I see (beyond my i4 just being significantly nicer to drive) is replacement parts. The chinese EV companies are replacement parts and a qualified repair network. Replacement part availability is rather bad across the board, which has a number of cascade effects, but primarily higher insurance premiums. To add, there is also the fact that it looks like the EV market in china will consolidate not too far in the future, most likely compromising long term maintainability.

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> The thing is, those robots really don't solve a real problem as vacuuming and mopping are the easiest and quickest job when it comes to cleaning the house. Hard disagree, because vacuuming is something you often need to do daily . Spending 10 min/day becomes over an hour a week. That's a significant chunk. If you have smooth floors, running a Roomba kind of becomes a no-brainer. On the other hand, I only need to du…

I've never met anyone in my life who vacuums at that rate. Not sure if your personal germophobia counts as a counterpoint.

Easy counter: people with children. We vacuum the dining area daily because of the kid.

We also have building ventilation that is sadly unfiltered, so we have more dust than normal coming in.

We don't vacuum everything daily but a robot would really help us, we just won't buy an internet connected one or something that's very pricey. Our existing vacuum is crazy efficient and quiet.

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Second this if you are willing to do some mild hardware hacking. I've been running valetudo on two Dreame L10 vacuums for three years without issue. Keeps a lot of the smart features, for use over lan instead of a cloud connection.

I have bought a Dreame L10 Ultra with Valetudo in mind, but I discovered that if you skip connecting it to the internet during the setup process, you can still use it normally. I don’t care about any of the smart features and simply start a full cleaning or a spot cleaning by pressing a hardware button on the robot itself.

Good point. That seems like a good option as well if you don't need any other features.

I don't really use many of the smart features, but the ability to set up cleaning zones in valetudo has been really nice. Same goes for "do not clean" zones.

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