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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

motorest wrote: post #207
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

> Then there is the issue they seem to be shoting into all directions, with GUI frameworks, Web, Blazor, Aspire, to see what sticks. Can you elaborate on why you believe that? I mean, with GUI frameworks it's pretty obvious MS is placing all their chips on WinUI3, even though they are not deprecating any legacy framework. I mean, their Win32 API is still alive and well, as well as MFC, ATL, etc. WPF still gets some m…

No they aren't placing all their chips on WinUI3, only those that never went through all reboots since Windows 8, believe that.

WPF got taken out of legacy mode at BUILD 2024, exactly because hardly anyone outside Redmond cares about WinUI 3.

Anyone that has been long enough around, has seen ASP.NET MVC 5, ASP.NET Core MVC (not compatible with MVC 5 predecessor), Razor Pages, Minimal APIs, Blazor,...

So it is a mess doing consulting and depending on what .NET version the customer team is allowed to use, and existing code, what gets to be used by that portfolio.

Minimal APIs have been designed to bring in Python and JavaScript developers into .NET, which many of us see as not working at all, while having created the need now everyone creates their own controllers infractruture, as means to tame having minimal APIs all over the place, there are even MVVM like frameworks now for that purpose.

Blazor is really only usable as path forward for those still stuck in WebForms, due to the similar approach to do Web UIs, and to .NET shops without frontend teams.

In the age of distributed computing with microservices and frontend teams, it is a hard sell to make them adopt Blazor and learn C#, instead of React, Angular, Vue.

At least they have adopted TypeScript, the next language that Anders Hejlsberg decided to focus on.

Aspire is something that has been pivoted, now they try to sell it as Microsoft's Pulumi, but everyone has to write the orchestration code in C#, thus only relevant to .NET shops.

Maddy Montaquila has said in a few .NET podcast interviews that they are trying to use Aspire as means to sell .NET to UNIX shops, given the low adoption numbers outside the traditional Microsoft shops, even after almost a decade being open source.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by wraptile »

jhallenworld wrote: post #549
IshKebab wrote: post #67

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You mean all of Microsoft's direction? Look at how VSCode changelogs have morphed from editing features to 90% AI.

Awesome, this is creating an opportunity for a new text editor. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Just switched to Zed because every vscode release breaks more than fixes.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by nik736 »

maxloh wrote: post #215
Catbert59 wrote: post #24

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GitLab is great - but super fat. The performance will suffer heavily if you don't give it the resources it wants (all RAM you can find, lol). If you only need Git plus project tracking Gitea is super mature. It runs happily on small VPS.

Gitea's UI is ugly. While GitHub and GitLab have dedicated design and front-end teams to improve their UI/UX, Gitea and Forgejo aren't large enough to reach that scale, even after Gitea became a company. For example, look at the number of issues triaged with "UX" [0] or "UX Paper Cut" [1] on GitLab. It is an order of magnitude larger than you would find in any other FOSS option. [0]: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/git…

Sorry but the GitLab UI was bad, is bad, the whole software feels clunky and slow to use and everything is nested where in comparison Gitea is simple, intuitive and straightforward, just like the old Github days. I also don't know if it's a good sign that there are a lot of UX issues?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by novok »

Gud wrote: post #766
sevensor wrote: post #699

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Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

Microsoft are wielding the entire office suite as a weapon against free and interoperable formats… It is the single biggest blocked against open computing. If Microsoft were serious about open source like another poster claimed, they would let us run it on all platforms.

Much like iOS/Android & the Web killed MSFTs stranglehold on OSes, google docs & markdown killed MSFT office's stranglehold on office. So many businesses are google doc shops, vast majority of schools are google docs, vast majority of casual document usage is google docs and google docs is open-enough with it's export formats.

Excel at this point is specialist software, like adobe photoshop. Everything else is 'good enough'.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by IshKebab »

on_the_train wrote: post #687
jhallenworld wrote: post #549

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Awesome, this is creating an opportunity for a new text editor. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Zed also turned into ai slob already

I don't object to AI features. I just don't want them to only work on AI features. There are plenty of editor related things that they should still be doing. E.g. the ability to show images in the editor. How neat would that be?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by this15testingg »

cnst wrote: post #359
JohnTHaller wrote: post #3

GitHub will now fall under Microsoft's CoreAI team, which give some indication of GitHub's purpose and direction going forward.

This is kinda pretty ridiculous. Isn't GitHub's entire visibility and pervasiveness is entirely due to the OSS? So, now they're basically saying to OSS, "so long, and thanks for all the fish"?

it seems like anyone continuing to use github is ok with providing free labor to Microsoft. Not that that wasn't the case already, but now it seems especially blatant. "open source" is just corporate welfare at this point.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Sharlin »

pge wrote: post #639
gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

I would add to your list that MSFT also makes decent hardware now - surface laptops and xbox have both done well

They've "always" made decent hardware, as far as I recall. The original XBox is 23 years old, and in the 90s they made great joysticks and other controllers for PCs. And their mice and keyboards have always been good.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by withinboredom »

fnord123 wrote: post #782
sevensor wrote: post #699

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Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

> Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence Debatable. Excel can't even open CSV files properly. You need to run the import wizard. But loads of people don't do this. They see a file on their desktop and double click it. Why can't double clicking a CSV file just open the import wizard!? (Because they want people to share xlsx files as a data format.)

I assume most Americans don't run into the CSV hell that other countries do. In my current country, whether CSVs open as a comma-separated or semi-colon seperated document depends on whether the OS is set to use a , or a . for decimal numbers. It's absolutely annoying.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pessimizer »

sevensor wrote: post #699
rustystump wrote: post #461

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Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

Excel and Minesweeper. I'm still so angry about what they did to Minesweeper.
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