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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by nebula8804 »

giardini wrote: post #730
Aeolun wrote: post #614

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I think the problem is that half of the country (has been made to) wants to sabotage itself. Therefore, they elect and keep in power someone that gives them exactly what they want.

Yeah, the way the Democratic Party self-destructed was indeed enlightening and frightening. And they continue to point fingers at each other and present specious arguments why they failed in the last election. Meamwhile the Republicans, while making headway, aren't doing it in a way that will last beyond the next Democratic administration. I'm speaking of the overuse of executive orders when legislation is what is re…

DOGE has destroyed institutions that will likely not recover in the next Democratic majority term. If they sell off the federal lands or damage them with resource extraction, Dems probably wont have the bandwidth to fix that either. Those are just two examples but there are probably many more.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by nebula8804 »

moralestapia wrote: post #795
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Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

Harvard does not have "the best and brightest" students and that's a meme that needs to die as is discriminatory to literally all the other students in the US and the planet .

You are nitpicking. It is an elite institution that still attracts elite class people or else it wouldn't be worth so much to so many groups. There are hundreds of universities in the US, many of which have no kind recognition of the kind Harvard has.

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Post by nebula8804 »

pen2l wrote: post #697
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I understand it's cool to slam Harvard these days but it is nonetheless a behemoth when it comes to research output. https://www.harvard.edu/about/history/nobel-laureates/ https://www.nature.com/nature-index/research-leaders/2024/in... https://hms.harvard.edu/about-hms/history-hms/timeline-disco... https://www.harvard.edu/in-focus/innovation/ Roughly a third of the 50-something of Harvard's Nobel laureates were immig…

Slam Harvard? Trump is slamming them because they are a known name that is resisting him.

Nobodies on Twitter are just that, nobodies that accomplished nothing in their lives. They have nothing better to do than slam a university that they have no chance of getting even close to yet they feel entitled to dictate how it should run.

Who else is slamming them? I'd imagine techies are humble enough to understand that the school is not some hillbilly institution in the middle of nowhere.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #578
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He's 78 and at the end of his political career in few years, he could care less.

He couldn’t care less.

He could care less is the common phrase by now, even if it doesn't make literal sense.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

Animats wrote: post #408
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The semester is already over, many of them went home. They'll simply be refused when they try to come back.

That's a real issue. If you're on a student visa, and were planning on coming back in the fall, leaving the US for the summer may be a bad move. Entry to the US can be denied arbitrarily. Deporting someone is harder.

Deporting someone is just a matter of grabbing them off the street and shipping them out to El Salvador before the courts hear anything about it.

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Post by firesteelrain »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #759
firesteelrain wrote: post #543

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We do not know yet what Harvard did and did not respond to. All we have is their word. If they didn’t provide what was required after DHS demanded what was legally required to be provided then DHS is on solid legal ground. I can’t really defend not providing something that isn’t called out as part of the law though

And all we have is DHS' word that Harvard didn't provide what was required. This is simply ridiculous and everything needs to be easier for the public to double-check so we can call bullshit in the right direction.

Your bias is showing. Harvard could be wrong too.

This is all being argued in the court of public opinion now

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Post by bko »

intended wrote: post #731
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I don't know. A lot of foreign students from Harvard are Chinese. Seems kind of weird that they were found to discriminate against American Asians and then they import foreign Asian students. Goes against the whole we want diversity thing, no?

That sentence is breath taking. > A lot of foreign students from Harvard are Chinese. Seems kind of weird that they were found to discriminate against American Asians and then they import foreign Asian students. How do I put this delicately - the Race part is not what is bringing the difference in lived experience.

The university defines diversity broadly, encompassing race, ethnicity, gender, socioeconomic background, nationality, sexual orientation, and other aspects of identity.

Don't gaslight me and pretend they don't focus a lot on race when figuring out their student body. They report on it and it's a huge distinguishing characteristic when looking at median standardized scores across diff characteristics. There's little difference between socio economic groups, gender, nationality etc. But if you look across just Asian and non Asian students, the scores are dramatically higher with Asians meaning that they have higher standards. Courts found this to be true

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Post by computerthings »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #740
spacemadness wrote: post #688

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Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

I tolerate my normie family saying it, but it grates on me because of how many of the constituencies have switched sides by now. For instance, educated professionals were a major base for the original Nazi Party, while nowadays the fascists seem to really loathe that class stratum.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

staticautomatic wrote: post #736
QuarterReptile wrote: post #707

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What force does that possibly employ? When you revoke the degree of a sitting president, that costs him...?

It costs him the only thing he cares about: his ego

I see two risks with your analysis. First, you generally underestimate a person if you try to distill his personality into one negative trait (or, for that matter, if you select a bunch of negative traits but assume no positive.)

Second, he's still the president, so I don't see what pull the Penn degree has vs. that.

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Post by nebula8804 »

leosanchez wrote: post #799
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> How did things get so bad, so quickly? It didn't. Conservatives in this country have explicitly been headed this direction since they decided to never let another Nixon happen. Not that they would prevent another criminal Republican. But they would ensure that Republicans are never punished for behavior like this. It led to Fox News and Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson, etc. The writing has been on the…

> The only reason Romney lost is because he didn't lean into the hatred his base was demanding. John McCain too ?

Somewhat yes

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk

But it was also that the great recession was a bit painful for enough of these people.

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