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Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by shadowgovt »

milesrout wrote: post #796
shadowgovt wrote: post #770

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I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.

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> Did the Americans feed the Japanese?

I'm sure you don't seriously intend to bring up American treatment of the Japanese in its territory as a positive example.

As you are not American, I forgive you your apparent lack of knowledge of the concentration camps, or the theft of property that was never returned to innocent Japanese Americans.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by rglullis »

bdangubic wrote: post #799
rglullis wrote: post #798

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Even those "running the place" are doing it within the democratic system established and managed by the State . You can try to twist as hard you can, but to think that the US has become some form of Theocracy is absurd. I am not going to argue that the democratic institutions are not under attack, but I am arguing that there is no key religious figure remotely close to take power and become the head of State, at any…

if you are the one controlling the head of State you don’t have to actually be the head of State

So, let's get back to question I posted before: which of the religious leaders have more control over the head of State than any of Big Tech CEOs? Which congregation in Florida has as much political pull (regardless of direction) as Disney?

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by shadowgovt »

milesrout wrote: post #794
za3faran wrote: post #765

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israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.

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That's not really been the standard the world holds itself to since World War II.

Yes, aggressors in a just war are expected to care for the civilian population in conquered territory. Starvation as a war weapon against civilians is a war crime.

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-...

In fact, the only place it's currently legal (though generally frowned upon) is in the context of a civil war, and if this is a civil war we're back to asking the question: how does Israel expect to find peace when 9 million citizens are oppressing 5 million with brutal military violence?

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by za3faran »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #776
shadowgovt wrote: post #770

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.

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Such organization doesn't exist actually, it's a zionist straw man.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by za3faran »

milesrout wrote: post #796
shadowgovt wrote: post #770

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.

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Go watch the many documentaries about Gaza, then tell us it is not brutally oppressed. The fact of the matter is that Palestinians have been treated atrociously for over 75 years now. The West Bank is not much better off either by the way.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by za3faran »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #775
za3faran wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.

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I personally know such jews actually. We salute anyone standing against oppression of the Palestinians from the brutality they have been facing for over 75 years now.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by za3faran »

milesrout wrote: post #795
shadowgovt wrote: post #782

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Given the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.

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The Palestinians in Gaza and the entirety of Palestine trace their roots to 3000+ years ago actually.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by Mawr »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #578
Mawr wrote: post #510

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> What's more, superficially at least, it makes more sense to believe in a supreme, essentially divine creator than it does to believe visibly enormous complexity deriving from a mostly unknown nothing. It can't make more sense to believe in one entirely made up thing vs another since they're both made up. > I'd say that this more than anything has been responsible for virtually all cultures in history believing in s…

>It can't make more sense to believe in one entirely made up thing vs another since they're both made up. It makes sense to believe in Newton's laws, which he made up, even though we know the study of kinematics flowing from them is wrong. We have observed them being wrong. Someone else made up a complicated explanation of why and when Newton's laws are wrong. That guy's theories formed the basis for some incredible…

Yeah, sure, Newton "made up" the laws. Good one.

For anyone curious, this is an example of the Continuum Fallacy [1]. Interestingly, that wiki page happens to use Newton's laws as an example:

"For example, Newton's gravitational theories are "wrong" (they're a rough approximation) and Einstein's gravitation is almost certainly "wrong" too (it doesn't easily blend with quantum mechanics), but it would be a spectacular fallacy to suggest that they are equally wrong because there is such a continuous shading between "makes rough predictions" and "makes more accurate predictions" when it comes to scientific theories. Saying that the Earth is flat is wrong, and saying that it's spherical is also wrong — it's an oblate spheroid, roughly — but both statements do not have the same degree of "wrongness" on a continuum."

[1]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

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