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Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by tptacek »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #764
tptacek wrote: post #740

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TLM participants are a tiny fraction of people who routinely attend mass. In fact, something you hear from TLM advocates is that TLM attendees tend to be younger.

A clear direction for church growth.

You hear this a lot from TLM proponents. First, it's a category error to suggest that church doctrine has a goal of maximizing the number of people to that turn out to mass. But second, no, it really isn't. The idea that a great way to get lots of ordinary people to become practicing Catholics is to literally conduct services in a dead language nobody understands is an extraordinary claim.

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Post by wat10000 »

skissane wrote: post #785
wat10000 wrote: post #759

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This distinction might sound very important for people within one of those religions, but it sounds pretty trivial from the outside. Changing secular law to reflect religious law versus directly applying religious law, who cares? The result is the same. And for excessive focus, maybe you haven't noticed, but that fringe position is wielding a tremendous power in the country where I live at the moment.

> This distinction might sound very important for people within one of those religions, but it sounds pretty trivial from the outside. Changing secular law to reflect religious law versus directly applying religious law, who cares? The result is the same The result is very different. If Sharia were fully implemented in your country, you’d go to the local courthouse and the judge would be a religious scholar applying…

The laws I’m complaining about don’t do anything remotely similar yet. They would if the fundamentalists had their way.

Trump obviously doesn’t give a damn about religion, but who do you think put him in office? Who does he pander to?

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Post by milesrout »

za3faran wrote: post #765
milesrout wrote: post #700

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israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.

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Post by milesrout »

shadowgovt wrote: post #782
inemesitaffia wrote: post #776

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Given the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.

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Post by milesrout »

shadowgovt wrote: post #770
za3faran wrote: post #765

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israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.

I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.

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Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by yencabulator »

whycome wrote: post #350
ckdot wrote: post #95

Why is this posted on HN, even twice? It’s not like other news sources won’t announce this. The pope had its good and bad sides, but in the end we should remind ourselves he’s just a human being. It’s OK for HN to inform about people here, but shouldn’t they be somehow related to any topics HN touches? The popes was just a guy who somehow got popular because of some quite successful religion - but I’d personally pref…

> Why is this posted on HN This isn't a headline service or newswire. It's a place for discussion too. He was the head of a large institution that has a lot of influence. And the views of the institution on emergent technologies is very much relevant. Those views are greatly shaped by the one at the top for their stint. This post isn't about religion.

Meanwhile, anything about Trump is insta-flagged. Look at your criteria.

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Post by rglullis »

wat10000 wrote: post #758
rglullis wrote: post #735

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> So they may not be "direct" rulers, they are major power players. So are all the other countless media companies, tech corporations, Hollywood, labor unions, pharma companies, academia... From this list, which one do you think is more intertwined with Government affairs? The Catholic Church or Amazon? The Mormons or Blueshield? Seventh Day Adventists or Disney? The Baptists or General Motors? The Anglicans or FOX N…

Catholics and SDAs don't have a whole lot of political influence here, but evangelicals are basically running the place now.

Even those "running the place" are doing it within the democratic system established and managed by the State. You can try to twist as hard you can, but to think that the US has become some form of Theocracy is absurd.

I am not going to argue that the democratic institutions are not under attack, but I am arguing that there is no key religious figure remotely close to take power and become the head of State, at any level whatsoever.

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Post by bdangubic »

rglullis wrote: post #798
wat10000 wrote: post #758

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Catholics and SDAs don't have a whole lot of political influence here, but evangelicals are basically running the place now.

Even those "running the place" are doing it within the democratic system established and managed by the State . You can try to twist as hard you can, but to think that the US has become some form of Theocracy is absurd. I am not going to argue that the democratic institutions are not under attack, but I am arguing that there is no key religious figure remotely close to take power and become the head of State, at any…

if you are the one controlling the head of State you don’t have to actually be the head of State

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Post by shadowgovt »

milesrout wrote: post #795
shadowgovt wrote: post #782

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Given the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.

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Timeline-wise, the Palestinians were there long before the Israelis in modern Israel. I don't think forcing them out is a reasonable starting point. At best, that becomes a perpetual shame like the US treatment of native Americans.

Personally, I look to Ireland and England as a potential model. People have been conflating Hamas and Gaza in this thread... At the height of the Troubles, more Irish supported the IRA than Palestinians support Hamas, and I don't think anyone ever suggested the solution was to relocate the Irish.

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