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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

almog wrote: post #574
potato3732842 wrote: post #570

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You pay a bunch of money to someone who has a Dash 8 or similar common commercial aircraft. These drones probably don't have 1000mi range. And even if you can't follow one all the way to its destination you can still take some real good pictures with flash and plaster them all over the news and wait for someone to say "I pump fuel and sweep floors at airport X and a bunch of dickbags with black suburbans and bad atti…

>These drones probably don't have 1000mi range. Since you're replying to a question about tracking fixed wing it's worth mentioning that their range can be well over 1000 miles as some of the Iranian Shahed drones have a range of almost 1600 miles.

That's a 400 lbs, 11 ft by 8 ft UAV powered by a 50 hp gasoline piston engine. It's half the size of a Cessna 172 and makes a similar noise, observers would for sure classify it as an airplane.

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Post by axegon_ »

creaturemachine wrote: post #653
axegon_ wrote: post #642

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I think the one thing no one really mentions is the fact that drones are extremely easy to build in the comfort of your living room. If you have a 3d printer, some spare parts laying around and a cheap electronics store around the corner(check, check and check in my case), you can build a drone for less than 300 bucks which is far less than the retail ones - completely autonomous, no radio link needed, takes off, doe…

We all have that same cheap electronics store, it's called AliExpress.

Delivery success rate is pretty much a random number generator here. Sometimes stuff arrives on time, sometimes it shows up 6 months late, sometimes never. For me it's either the physical store, amazon or mouser.

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Post by krapp »

dllthomas wrote: post #289
krapp wrote: post #203

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No. Only about 64% of all American voters participated in the election - the rest stayed home. Of those, Trump actually got just under half of the popular vote, albeit by an extremely slim margin of about 48%.

"Voters" doesn't always mean "eligible voters". "Those who cast votes in the election under discussion" seems a reasonable sense of the term in this context. You are correct that he got the plurality and not the majority of the popular vote.

I wasn't referring to eligible voters, I was referring to the voters who cast votes in the election under discussion.

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

briandear wrote: post #670
j_timberlake wrote: post #501

Quick summary after following this for a few days: FBI says they're rotary and fixed-wing drones, White House says they aren't foreign adversaries, Pentagon says they aren't USA military, all 3 insist that there's no indication of a real threat despite the drones being bigger and higher tech than retail drones. Politicians are PO'd that something about this doesn't add up: How can anyone know these aren't a threat wi…

“The aren’t military.” Yet there are dozens of other agencies that work with the Pentagon that aren’t military either. These are likely part of an SCI program — either a real op or a training op. Very few people would know what’s going on, so most of the agencies commenting likely are being completely honest based on their own knowledge. This is government. FAA NOTAM FDC 4/1797 Restricts the airspace until 20 Decembe…

Interesting NOTAM, thanks.

This is the government clearly stating they can intercept unknown drones in the area.

> UAS OPR WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE AIRSPACE RESTRICTIONS ARE WARNED THAT PURSUANT TO 10 U.S.C.SECTION 130I AND 6 U.S.C.SECTION 124N, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE(DOD), THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY(DHS) OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE(DOJ) MAY TAKE SECURITY ACTION THAT RESULTS IN THE INTERFERENCE, DISRUPTION, SEIZURE, DAMAGING, OR DESTRUCTION OF UNMANNED ACFT DEEMED TO POSE A CREDIBLE SAFETY OR SECURITY THREAT TO PROTECTED PERSONNEL, FAC, OR ASSETS.

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Post by narrator »

jandrese wrote: post #789
narrator wrote: post #770

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For those who want to know the most consistent UFOlogy angle that wasn't invented last week: Over on 4chan there was an alleged leaker and follow ups back in 2023 who says that there's an underwater ET mothership off the east coast that produces 3-d printed made to order small anti-gravity drones that launch and do various tasks to monitor us. Anything that approaches the underwater mothership is destroyed before the…

> Anything that approaches the underwater mothership is destroyed before they even know they're under attack. Let me guess, it is parked in the "Bermuda Triangle". It's easy to make theories when you are unburdened by evidence.

There used to be no evidence at all, but now you have David Grusch who was given explicit authorization to talk to people in unacknowledged special access programs about UAPs and he said under oath before congress that yes, there are crashed ET craft with biologics in them that have been recovered going back to the 1930s.

https://x.com/cspan/status/1684217673716989958

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Post by krapp »

NavinF wrote: post #284
krapp wrote: post #203

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No. Only about 64% of all American voters participated in the election - the rest stayed home. Of those, Trump actually got just under half of the popular vote, albeit by an extremely slim margin of about 48%.

I'm having a hard time imagining how you'd accurately measure who a non-voter would have voted for. Like how would you verify if someone is even eligible to vote? Lots of Americans (Eg green card holders, kids, felons) can't vote. Also 2% is way smaller than the Lizardman’s Constant: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and... It seems pointless pedantry.

It isn't pointless pedantry. The claim was that "a bit over half of all American voters" voted for Trump. This is simply factually untrue, as nowhere near all American voters even voted.

>I'm having a hard time imagining how you'd accurately measure who a non-voter would have voted for.

No claims are being made about the hypothetical votes by non-voters, so whether and how that metric can be measured isn't relevant to the claim being made, which is about people who actually voted. This is measured through a count of the actual votes tallied by state.

>Like how would you verify if someone is even eligible to vote?

Every state has their own methods to determine voting eligibility. This isn't relevant to the claim being made, as the set of "all American voters" is presumed to be equal to the set of "all eligible American voters."

>Lots of Americans (Eg green card holders, kids, felons) can't vote.

Individuals who cannot vote are also not relevant to the claim made, which is about the set of people who actually did vote, and what fraction of the entire electorate they represented.

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Post by kernelkhertz »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #775
stevenhuang wrote: post #567

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The lore theory is this: that there is a sort of trickster phenomenon at play whose goal is to subvert our understanding of the physical world, and to get us to start asking metaphysical questions about the nature of reality. Questions that can only be answered by "looking within". This is called the control system hypothesis, coined by renowned ufologist Jacques Vallees: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/rn650p…

>And another event from the 1800s of craft that is era-appropriate, mimicking airships of the time: You do realize that's because those too were cases of mass hysteria, and the delusions matched what they knew to be airborne at the time - airships. Now all you see on the news is drones and suddenly everyone is having drone-flavored mass hysteria. > I've studied the phenomenon from all angles. Give me your most convin…

It is strange these "drones" can fly over US airbases and the world super power can do nothing about them. If GF parked a mothership today it would cause mass delusions and chaos due to human programming. They approach softly and slowly and dont violate free will. This phenomena will only get more and more widespread because it is time... https://x.com/Kabamur_Taygeta/status/1867170042695061603

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Someone make a FOIA request to the FAA for AANC and 'FAA Drone Zone' authorizations for flights in areas experiencing drone sightings. Be very specific with like 'AANC and 'FAA Drone Zone' authorizations for the ABC affected area and in force during XYZ specific timeframe (and break out each night, preferably in separate FOIA requests). My guess is that would shed some light on things. 'ABC' above would need to be the specific official FAA name for the AANC or FAA Drone Zone.

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Post by quantadev »

slt2021 wrote: post #373
quantadev wrote: post #286

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> An entire ocean away. Ever heard of submarines and ships. the Congressman said he heard from a good source there was an Iranian "mothership" on the East Coast. I guess you claim he's being lied to, or making it all up?

if you trust congressman's word (purchased by AIPAC for 30 shekels), you are lost

But there's also a reason CNN (and most MSM) have lost all credibility. People finally realized which side has indeed been lying basically nonstop for the past 10 years.

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Post by javajosh »

narrator wrote: post #805
jandrese wrote: post #789

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anything that approaches the underwater mothership is destroyed before they even know they're under attack. Let me guess, it is parked in the "Bermuda Triangle". It's easy to make theories when you are unburdened by evidence.

There used to be no evidence at all, but now you have David Grusch who was given explicit authorization to talk to people in unacknowledged special access programs about UAPs and he said under oath before congress that yes, there are crashed ET craft with biologics in them that have been recovered going back to the 1930s. https://x.com/cspan/status/1684217673716989958

Testimony is not evidence, and using the passive voice ("given explicit authorization", by whom? why does this matter?) is an explicit argument from authority. Physical evidence or nothing. There are no shortage of credulous people in the world happy to bask in the glow of attention.

Consider the counter-factual. If indeed there are aliens here, and have been here for decades, why not centuries? Why haven't previous generations found them, and not known their true origin? How curious that these artifacts only started appearing in the space age, when if they had appeared previously they would have been attributed to a religious origin (and not only not suppressed, but shared widely as evidence for God.)

Note: if aliens are here then FTL travel is not only possible but common, and easy, and this would undermine a great deal of verified physics. To get around this you'd need a conspiracy across all physics research (a la the SF novel "The Three Body Problem"). I'd also add that if going to other planets was like sailing a ship, then we could expect (lazy, sloppy) tourists to come around who don't "toe the line" when it comes to staying hidden.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and without it all such claims can be safely ignored (and indeed, can and should negatively impact the people making them).

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