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Pejorative putdowns of countries are nationalistic flamebait, regardless of which country you have a problem with.
You should Google flamebait, which is also distinct from flamewar
87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#802Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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It's not permissions, those are fine. It's apps being able to tell the difference between a corporation's operating system and my own customized system. They should not be able to tell the difference. Unfortunately, hardware remote attestation makes it possible for them to know. Now apps will insist that you run the unmodified corporation's software. Bank apps will require attestation because of "fraud". WhatsApp wil…
> They should not be able to tell the difference. And why not? If it's tampered with, it could have been tampered with by a malicious actor who can now lift your bank keys from the device. Ultimately, it is about permissions. You modified your OS to do something you couldn't do on an OS that wasn't tampered with. If instead, the thing you wanted to do was available behind an appropriate permission, you wouldn't have…
Because I'm the owner of the machine and I decide what informarion the applications running on it can obtain. If I want them to believe they're running on an unmodified operating system, then that's what they should believe.
> it could have been tampered with by a malicious actor who can now lift your bank keys from the device
Then give me the keys to the machine and let me use them to sign my own software. People who don't care can use the easy corporation attestation but I still get to maintain control.
> You modified your OS to do something you couldn't do on an OS that wasn't tampered with.
> If instead, the thing you wanted to do was available behind an appropriate permission, you wouldn't have had to modify your OS to begin with.
And what if what I want to do goes against some corporation's terms of service or whatever? What if I want to monitor what apps send over the network? Reverse engineer an app? Copy and manipulate their data? Automate tasks? Fake the personal information returned by system calls? Block advertising? Block surveillance?
Essentially, what if I want to do anything that harms their bottom line? These are not things that corporations will ever give me permission to do. It's an affront to my freedom as a computer user.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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In the US?? It was VERY rare to find a phone that cheap in 2014. I had a Nexus 5 in 2014 and it went for $350 ($437 in 2022 dollars). And that was considered a really good deal/budget phone.
In the US! I got an 'LG Optimus' phone in 2015 for $125 (after tip and tax, down from the $150 I had in my memory.) I don't have the 2013 receipt for the $40 phone though, that might have been through a WalMart contract. A new 'Moto G Power' can be had for $150 right now (down from $250) and a new Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro can be had for $220. You can find sub-$50 phones too, especially in the used market.
What? I want to know more about the circumstances that led to you paying a tip while buying a cellphone. What country was this? What state/province? What store?
(I see that your comment mentions the US and Wal-Mart, but I think both of those are about the $40 purchase and I'm curious about the $125 purchase.)
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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They highlight themselves but they don't highlight other shoes in a negative light.
I’m not sure how you can reasonably argue that the chosen shade of green is a negative light on android texts. Any negativity is generated by the social systems interacting with it — the colors, and logos, just give enough information for those social systems to differentiate, and qualify, and judge your usage of, these objects. Apple hasn’t done much of anything to say android texts are bad… they’ve just said they’r…
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#806Americans, do people not use whatsapp over there? In Europe everyone uses whatsapp for literally everything, with a sprinkling of Telegram if you are into something a little subversive and Signal if you actually care about privacy. The only time I use text/sms is to recieve codes for things, and I'm doing that less and less.
No, they don't. Also facebook seems to be still a big thing in the US. Really funny how the culture is different. The only time I use SMS is for to receive codes for two factor authentication. Nobody ever receives an SMS from me.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#807Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They should not be able to tell the difference. And why not? If it's tampered with, it could have been tampered with by a malicious actor who can now lift your bank keys from the device. Ultimately, it is about permissions. You modified your OS to do something you couldn't do on an OS that wasn't tampered with. If instead, the thing you wanted to do was available behind an appropriate permission, you wouldn't have…
> And why not? Because I'm the owner of the machine and I decide what informarion the applications running on it can obtain. If I want them to believe they're running on an unmodified operating system, then that's what they should believe. > it could have been tampered with by a malicious actor who can now lift your bank keys from the device Then give me the keys to the machine and let me use them to sign my own soft…
You can do all of that on Android, many of those without root. If you want to modify any process's memory, you need a permission that doesn't exist. With sufficient imagination, you could invent a permission system that allows you to do that but doesn't allow a malicious app to do that. If instead you allow arbitrary tampering like you want, up to and including replacing the system partition without indication, there's no way for the bank to know your banking has been hijacked by somebody other than yourself. Your bank doesn't give a damn what you do with the banking app on your device. It cares if it has to deal with mass exploitation of its customers.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#808Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#809Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the US! I got an 'LG Optimus' phone in 2015 for $125 (after tip and tax, down from the $150 I had in my memory.) I don't have the 2013 receipt for the $40 phone though, that might have been through a WalMart contract. A new 'Moto G Power' can be had for $150 right now (down from $250) and a new Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro can be had for $220. You can find sub-$50 phones too, especially in the used market.
>tip What? I want to know more about the circumstances that led to you paying a tip while buying a cellphone. What country was this? What state/province? What store? (I see that your comment mentions the US and Wal-Mart, but I think both of those are about the $40 purchase and I'm curious about the $125 purchase.)
I did not realize I was in the habit of saying "tip and tax" to refer to extra fees.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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It is not clearly a better experience. Give me a break. 99% of the time it is a grid of icons that launches apps. The notification area on Android is far superior and is actually quite useful compared to iOS where it is a jumbled mess. Apps on both platforms, more and more, are virtually identical. If you want integration with apple watch, then great use apple but your blanket statement about superior experience is e…
My statement doesn't come out of any sort of fanboyism, I was an Android developer and built custom ROMs for many years, was heavily into Android in the beginning, and I still use and support Android devices in my home (see above). It /is/ clearly a better experience for several reasons, not the least of which is the difference in privacy stance and the tighter integrations for families. I do not want to re-litigate…